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Colin Heppenstall

r.a.c.rally@btinternet.com


Nov 27, 07 - 4:15 PM 		What do you want to see in 2008

To guage thoughts for next years event, from both a competitors and marshal and spectators view point, please put your wish list on this thread.

I can not promise to achieve everybodies wishes, but what I can say is that they will all be looked at and taken on there merits for the event.

To start the ball rolling the event is taking place over the weekend of 14th to 17th November and has forestry allocations in Yorkshire, Ae district and Kielder.

Many thanks and look forward to your posts

Colin Heppenstall
Rally Manager
Mark Dickinson



Nov 27th, 2007 - 4:26 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

One or two additional spectator stages like Temple Newsum/Rother Valley/Bramham Park on the Friday eve or Saturday.

A Co-driver/driver matching service, as my regular navigator is already commited to do the event.

Many thanks.
dan



Nov 27th, 2007 - 9:05 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

How about sending invitations to some top drivers to let them know when the event is and try to persuade them to enter. Id love to see stig and higgins in the rally again.
Gareth Winebloom



Nov 27th, 2007 - 9:43 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Agree with more 'park' stages, in previous years ive enjoyed bramham, rother and this year teple newsom.
there a great build up to th event 'proper'

Would love to see McCormick back next year also
Saunders1000



Nov 27th, 2007 - 10:43 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Colin

I have to say I simply want more of the same. I think that you will have gathered by now that we love this event and there are lots of people saying do this and do that. But hang on, people already admit that's it great - so if at ain't broke etc etc.

I'm not saying that one should rest on one's laurels but any changes should be tweaks and no more.

There was a lot said about the entry in the run up to this event - and anyone who didn't come and spectate because of this - well, unlucky is all I can say. I'd never heard of Brian Lawlor, Paul Griffiths or Richard Hill before this event and they were all bloody execellent. I thought the vast majority were pretty committed and I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. Obviously, another entry list like this year would be much appreciated but really, make it pretty much the same and I think we'll all be happy.

Congratulations to you and your team - well done.
Mullrallyesport



Nov 28th, 2007 - 11:38 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

It was my first RAC this year and I can't fault it at all, one of the best rallies I have been to and it gave me an idea of what the old RAC was like.

I managed to make 10 stages and 2 service halts over the weekend which in my book is awesome, not many events you can do that.

So for me don't change anything ot just make little tweakes here and there if you have to but nothing majour as you have an awesome rally going so don't destroy it please

Ross
Sti rwd



Nov 28th, 2007 - 11:39 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Colin
Our second go at this classic rally ( maybe next year will finish it )
brillant event from start to finish
more Mickey Mouse stages would be good on first day for spectators ie, Bramham,Harewood Hillclimb, Pickering Showground
Greystoke was a great improvement to last year just needs for banks building, second Kielder was rough in middle but thats what you come to expect, just felt sorry for little Saab that started stage in front of us
Thanks Kevin
Alex



Nov 28th, 2007 - 11:03 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Is an extra day a possibility? those three days seem to fly. Or even Fri afternoon & evening? or back to the sat afternoon, sun, mon and tues format. If more entries are a possibility then maybe the entry fee could be kept similar with increased mileage? How bout newcastleton forest and some in the north of kielder or incorporating sheperdshield and pundershaw. Is harwood still available?

Is Donington park feasible for scrutineering, a start venue, running two stages fri afternoon, then two stages sat morning? I'm sure there are other stages in the area too for fri evening and sat then working up the west of the country to greystoke. I suspect cost is a big stumbling block here with donington? Is chatsworth a possibility as the rally show was a success and the duke of devonshires foreword in the program said they were pleased to welcome rallying back there.

What about finishing with the yorkshire stages and holding the finish in malton town centre.

How about a scheme where if you marshal a stage then you can have a pass for all the other stages?I'm sure this would encourage genuine fans to give up at least one day to marshal.
Dave Hemingway



Nov 29th, 2007 - 7:36 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

I preferred the format better this year. Stop up later but start later as well. Carefully planned timing so that it gets dark while we're in service and not on the stages so half get a run in the light, I assume that wasn't an accident?

It does seem a waste to all be assembled in Leeds and not do any rallying on Friday night. Is that possible?

Are spectator stages economically viable? The die hard enthusiasts will already be camped up in Dalby on Saturday morning. I'm sure that EVERYBODY would call in to see a night stage in Temple Newsham after work on Friday night before heading home or up to Dalby. Floodlight main bits so that it's not just headlights in the dark. Chance to recoup some expenses on the gate as well. Just a thought.

Remainder of rally. Keep it as it is!
Guy Weaver



Nov 29th, 2007 - 8:47 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Hi Colin.
Everything worked well
Road timing was very tight coming back from Greystoke.
I would like to see competitors / spectator finish venue.
Not a hotel (unless it comes free!) due to cost but may be a marque on the airport at Carlisle.
Somewhere where everybody can have a chat after the event.
The 20 minute service timing means that you do not see cars running earlier / later than you in service - so cannot keep up with the gossip.
I feel it would add to the sociable part of the event.
Thank you to you & your & team of helpers - I am sure they would all lkie to come to an after event get together?
Guy
Rob Lees



Nov 29th, 2007 - 9:00 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Speccies point of view..... don't change it too much, please!

No promotion of the event outside of rallying circles, would prefer it to be a well-kept secret without the once-a-year fans that can wreck other events.

Any chance of getting the rally into Craik? Fantastic stage, not that much further north than Twiglees and Castle O'er.... Wauchope would be a good addition too - just nice to change the odd stage each year I think. If (and I hope it never happens) you lost Dalby, would it be possible to use Hamsterley and the Stang on the way from the speccie stages to Greystoke?

Might be worth 'tapping up' a few leading BHRC and Irish Modified/Historic crews during the year and trying to sell the event on a one-to-one basis? (I'm sure existing RAC competitors do this anyway)

Think the Pugs and especially the Bee-Emms doing the Kall Kwik is a great addition - could you get the Clubmans event included in a championship (5 of Clubs, ANECCC, BRC Stars) to try and boost the entry? Not sure what you'd do with the turbosheds in the first of those series' though to be honest - even the "2wd" Autumn Stages had to run 5 of them at the rear of the field....)

Oh, and can we have some snow again next year, please?
Jim Valentine



Nov 29th, 2007 - 2:38 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Dear Colin,
The event is great as it is and a tribute to you and the organising team. Could I make a left field suggestion, what about having a day in Wales at the start. As a competitor I got a real sense of the regional differences on the rally and the addition of Welsh forests to the mix would spread the accessability of the event. The event should be a challenge and the varying stages offer a great mix. The double run throughs work well for me because I get to make the same mistakes twice at the same corners.
Positive criticism of the event, some of the road sections are too generous, some too tight. The run from Greystoke to Carlisle gave us some lateness, traffic out of Scarborough on the second run gave problems too. Publicity for the event needs work, many passing spectators at Carlisle finish were asking when and where we were off into the woods. The questioners were disappointed to have missed spectating the event. I don't know if your budget stretches to appointing PR people, but given the enthusiasm for the rally now and in the 70's I do feel you need to get the marketing out further to tap into the evident goodwill for the event and turn it into some income. If a suitable PR company could be appointed their efforts should pay for themselves.

I know there have been discussions about finding a link between the BHRC/HRCR challenge and RAC previously. Whatever the mismatch between youselves, in the interests of rallying the two have surely got to come together somehow. I can't believe our event budget would be much less if we had taken on the Isle of Man for example.

Very much looking forward to 2008. Thanks as always to all those who have given their time to the event.

Jim Valentine
Saab 96 Car 43
(Pah "little Saab", the rougher the better it's the straights that depress the old girl)
Bill Stevenson



Nov 30th, 2007 - 11:06 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Hi Colin,

It's difficult to suggest improvement to what I thought was a brilliant event. But a couple of observations may be appropriate:

Format is great but you might want to use the Friday night to do a super special at Temple Newsome but I suppose that's up to the council...good luck!!!! On behalf of the service crews (and Competitors I suppose): is it possible for the Northumberland stages (SS23/28 this year) to have a full service area say at Keilder Water? It would add interest for the main svce crew, rather han be rooted to the airport and reduce the long run back to Carlisle between loops.

I think you will see more CAT 1 cars after this years success 3 started......3 finished. This may cause issues as happend with Jim this year and us being caught by Banner after a puncture costing us 11 minutes. The time difference must be kept (in 2005 I think it was 15 mins) between the CAT 1 cars and the "Escort gang". Maybe Scheduled time could be used?? It can be a pain but it is a way forward.

It's only nit picking and cetainly shouldn't be taken as critisism of what is one of the best events I've done in years.

Fine tune don't change the nature of the event.

Keep up the good work and we are speading the word how good it was.

Who won the team prize?

Best Regards
Bill
Geoff Pawson



Nov 30th, 2007 - 1:18 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

As I have said elsewhere on the forum I think this is the best event in the country today, and my only small gripes are the length of time between 1st and 2nd usage on Sunday afternoon and Monday morning. On Saturday and Sunday morning it was around 2 1/2 hours but then went to 4 hours. I know it was because of the long run to service, but with only 30 cars left it meant a lot of hanging about as it wasn't possible to see them all through one stage and get to another before they started. If spectator parking had been available in Hopehouse it might just have been possible to get to Roughside. Obviously another twenty cars or so would help to some degree as would another stage in the close area.
The only other thing missing was a finish venue to catch up on the results and what had happened to who which there isn't always time to do during the event.
Peter Boyd



Nov 30th, 2007 - 8:01 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Hi

This years event was my first and I only have one complaint, no maps or programs available on Saturday in Scarborough. I know they were available mail order but it was a last minute discision for me to go over and I expected they would be available at or near the service area. I wouldn't have driven down from Newcastle Airport if I had known i wouldn't get any details.
Other than that keep the event as is

Peter


BTW anyone got a spare program, would like one as a momento.....got maps from a competitor
Colin Heppenstall



Nov 30th, 2007 - 8:23 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

On the programme issue we had sold out in the forests and the remainder of the programmes were on their way to scotland.

We have a few left, please send me an email with your details.
Gareth Mc Kay



Nov 30th, 2007 - 11:14 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Peter Boyd,

I have a spare programe.

will send it down to you

gareth

waylander rally clips
Gareth Mc Kay



Nov 30th, 2007 - 11:19 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

My 1st rac

It was brillant - plenty of sideways action - which was brillant,


one thing would like to see better maps in the program showing stage out lays please.

At least for media :-)

I will be doing my best to get more irish competitors over next year for it.

Frank Kelly is interested in doing it.

See u next year

Keep the brill work up

What about kris meeke in a mark 2?

He will be in a Mark 2 on the Killarney Historic's this weekend - starts tom.

gareth
Steven Brown



Dec 1st, 2007 - 12:52 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

From a spectators point of view - more of the same! My only criticism from this year was the parking area at Greystoke. A wee bit muddy.

Would be good to see some more big names/bigger entry and can you book some snow for next year?!
stephen stringer



Dec 1st, 2007 - 10:14 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

i did chase for the 1st time since the RAC in 1989, and thoroughly enjoyed it even though I was on the maps! As mentioned by some one the slog back to Carlisle from keilder for service would have been [had Craig not retired] a]very tight on time for the chase. b] a waste of valuable time and fuel. In period we always serviced from estate cars and a service could have been set up at the scout camp, just from the chase [the vans would struggle with the rush up and back]. I assume it would need a dedicated time slot and maybe regroup to get the timing right for the 2nd runs. Similarly it should be possible to do the three dalby stages twice without a run back to the traffic infested Scarborough, or maybe use Pickering? It was noticable that there many more miles of potential stages in the forest complexes which were not used, and maybe an extra 50 miles could be found? I know this increases cost, but only the running cost not the fixed cost of hotels etc. Maybe a round robin to the cometitors with options would gauge the opinion on this?

I compete in a cat3 sunbeam lotus mainly in Belgium [did HRCR in 03] and their championship has a scoring system which counts each day of a three day event as seperate, with 10 points a day for 1st, on one day event it is 20 points, I would think in the long run something along these lines could be made to work with the HRCR cahampionship and the Roger Albert.

All in all however a bloody good weekend I had forgotten how a BDA at full chat makes the hairs stand up on the neck when you are waiting at the end of a stage! I never offer to service on modern events, as sitting in a carpark [I miss typed that as crapark 1st] all day is not rallying to me.

great Event
Alex



Dec 3rd, 2007 - 12:49 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

We always end up rushing to get to greystoke. It seems to be the A170 that causes the problems i.e. hold ups, which unfortunately are unavoidable, the A1 and A66 are normally a good run.
old rally boy



Dec 3rd, 2007 - 5:42 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

I will admit to being one of the people who asked questions of the entry,they were genuine questions and I had to smile at all the people who "had a pop" at me for DARING to question it, I put this down to the event having a good following of like minded rally enthusiasts and was right,we left South Wales on Friday Afternoon and followed the rally to its conclusion on Monday Afternoon and I'm hooked!!! I dont care if nothing changes for next Year we will be there. Many thanks to the organising team for what is THE best rally I have spectated on since the genuine RAC's of yesteryear. I can only imagine some of the logistical nightmares you must face, if I were to ask for anything to be changed for 2008 the only thing I can think of is a proper finish venue..read PUB for the weary competiters/spectaters/marshalls etc,there is always a good "buzz" at any rally finish so imagine the "buzz" at this finish. Thanks again to all concerned and SEE YOU NEXT YEAR!!!!
Dave Hemingway



Dec 5th, 2007 - 8:27 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

There's been some good suggestions on here but what have you got in mind, Colin?

You say you've got the same forestry allocations so there can't be much change.

I know the car was struggling to turn left at the roundabout in Helmsley as it's prefers to go up to Roppa and Riccal Dale and passing Deer Park, Sproxton, Wass and College Moor seemed a bit of a shame.

I understand the basic economics of cost of stage mileage on first and second runs and that this day and age, it would b quite difficult to arrange full sets of safety cover, marshals equipment etc. for the seventy odd stages that were run in the seventies but could we at least get a few more in?

It would be nice to hear why not if the answer is no, or hear the ideas you have for improvement next year if that's possible.

DH
Long Distance Spectator



Dec 6th, 2007 - 2:52 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Agree with comments here. Please keep the winning formula and, as Rob Lees said, avoid promotion of the event outside of rallying circles as that could start to change the whole character of it.
My only wish, having seen the last 3 events, would be for a bit of change/variety in stages used (or a change in spectator access points) before it becomes repetitive.
Many thanks for your work in putting together this fantastic event.
Colin Heppenstall



Dec 6th, 2007 - 4:25 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

On stages and more of.

What would be the ideal length?

This year the longest stage was 9 miles and the shortest except Temple Newsam was 5 mile. We have run an Ae at 12 miles and Pundershaw at 18 miles.

If more stages are wanted does this equate to shorter stages of the 4 to 6 mile length?

Thoughts please.

Colin
Guy Weaver



Dec 6th, 2007 - 5:03 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Colin
If stages are shorter then there needs to be road mileage in between stages to keep the flow of air to the cars to keep the engines cool.
If you come out of one stage and straight into another 400 yards dowen the gravel track then this can cause big overheating issues.
The Pirelli did this on the Friday night - with the spot lights restricting the airflow to the car our temperature gauge was bouncing off Zero the wrong way!
The format of the stages was good - I would suggest a similar amount of stages but maybe in Ae mileage could be increased?
Also the last stage we did mileage could be increased - Roughside was it?
Economics will dictate the mileage who are able to offer
I don't feel you are too far wrong with present format.
Guy
Dave Hemingway



Dec 6th, 2007 - 7:18 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

I've just hijacked this from the British Rally Forum.

Assuming that the required manpower was available, there was an organising crew big enough to take it on and all these stages were still available, what do you think it would cost per entrant at today's prices if, say there were 100 entries on the event. I know you'll have to take a stab at costs for Trentham, Knowsley etc. Ball park?

Full list of all 59 stages for Lombard '79.

Leg 1 Sunday 18-Nov-1979

SS1 Knowsley Safari Park 7.24 km
SS2 Trentham Gardens 4.02 km
SS3 Alton Towers 6.44 km
SS4 Sutton Park 8.05 km
SS5 Donington Park 4.02 km
SS6 Bramham Park 8.05 km
SS7 Wykeham 3.22 km
SS8 Langdale 12.87 km
SS9 Staindale 6.44 km
SS10 Dalby 1 12.87 km
SS11 Dalby 2 17.70 km
SS12 Dalby 3 11.27 km
SS13 Cropton 19.31 km
SS14 Kilburn 3.22 km
SS15 Boltby 6.44 km
SS16 Hamsterley 25.75 km
SS17 Kielder 1 38.62 km
SS18 Kielder 2 38.62 km
SS19 Kielder 3 32.19 km
SS20 Kielder 4 11.27 km
SS21 Kielder 5 6.44 km
SS22 Kielder 6 11.27 km
SS23 Craik 11.27 km
SS24 Castle O'er 6.44 km
SS25 Twiglees 8.05 km
SS26 Greystoke 4.83 km
SS27 Comb 8.05 km
SS28 Wythop 4.83 km
SS29 Elva Hill 3.22 km
SS30 White Stones 4.83 km
SS31 Grizedale 1 25.75 km
SS32 Grizedale 2 9.66 km
SS33 Grizedale 3 4.83 km
SS34 Oulton Park 3.22 km
Leg 1 total: 390.30 km

Leg 2 Tuesday 20-Nov-1979

SS35 Weston Park 3.22 km
SS36 Dyfnant 10.46 km
SS37 Ceri 5.63 km
SS38 Radnor 1 9.66 km
SS39 Knill Wood 4.83 km
SS40 Radnor 2 9.66 km
SS41 Brycheiniog 11.27 km
SS42 Glasfynydd 8.05 km
SS43 Brechfa 1 4.83 km
SS44 Brechfa 2 3.22 km
SS45 Brechfa 3 8.05 km
SS46 Esgair Dafydd 16.09 km
SS47 Nant-yr-hwch 20.92 km
SS48 Llanafan 8.05 km
SS49 Hafren 37.01 km
SS50 Pantperthog 14.48 km
SS51 Dyfi 20.92 km
SS52 Gartheiniog 16.09 km
SS53 Penmachno 1 8.85 km
SS54 Penmachno 2 10.46 km
SS55 Beddgelert 10.46 km
SS56 Great Orme 4.83 km
SS57 Clocaenog 1 3.22 km
SS58 Clocaenog 2 14.48 km
SS59 Clocaenog 3 6.44 km
Leg 2 total: 271.18 km
Rally total: 661.48 km
Mark Dickinson



Dec 6th, 2007 - 8:10 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Colin,

Is there any way to use Wass/College Moor/Boltby etc. as you did on the Mintex?
Different character from the rest of the Yorkshire stages & great to drive. Plus gives spectators a chance to watch on the way along the A170. On length of stages I like a bit of both. If you have a problem on a short stage at least time loss is kept to a minimum, and you have a better chance of getting out. But then 16 miles of Langdale & 13 of Dalby on the Trackrod were just a bit good!
Peter Boyd



Jan 1st, 2008 - 7:30 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

@ Colin Heppenstall, did you get my email re program, haven't had any reply from you
James



Feb 3rd, 2008 - 11:34 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

The only way to improve the event is more of what you've already got. MORE Stages, MORE Days & MORE cars (historics & classics). The Event is great but to be a real tribute the the glory days of rallying in the 60's & 70's the event just needs to grow. Possibly becoming a round of a historic championship would atract more compeditors.
Keep up the good work and see you all Nov 2008, hopefully i'll have the old escort back on the road and be spectating in style again!
Roger Platt



Feb 4th, 2008 - 10:09 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Having competed on my first RAC in 1969 in a Cortina GT,entry fee was £35 and around 600 miles of stages in 5 days, starting and finishing at Heathrow Airport, you will never repeat that, unless Bernie (Mr F1) funds it....
So I think you are doing the best job possible, keep it up and just like historic rallying, it will get bigger and bigger........
Kielder



Feb 5th, 2008 - 10:07 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

How about a nat B event for monday
Malcolm Higins



Feb 6th, 2008 - 11:14 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Have you seen our post about night stages for Sunday, is that any good??
Derek Belbin



Feb 7th, 2008 - 8:22 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

how about a monday event for the geordies? what about a proper finish venue thats also rally hq ,really was an anti climax last year after three days to be told heres your pot bye bye ,would loved to have applauded jimmy and banner, any chance of hamstery forest ?
kielder



Feb 20th, 2008 - 11:28 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

With a lot of cars out by Monday and no Nat B,With the FC road cost's the same I thought you would run as many as possible. I would put an entry in for this, after all it is ment to be killer kielder
Tony Graham



Mar 4th, 2008 - 6:40 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Hi Colin, I was just browsing as I looked for the class categories, just filling in our entry form for the 2008 event. You should have it on Thursday.
back to the question about stage length....The longer the better please. Not too keen on the short stages so if you are trying to have more stages please dont reduce the lenght of individual stages.

P.S. The Lancia is in the paint shop as we speak and should be back in action within a few weeks
Rob Lees



Mar 20th, 2008 - 9:34 AM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Can I just say a big thanks for delivering my first suggestion from earlier in the thread, which was to get the Craik stage used again. Great stuff!

It might not be the most accessible, but it's a great stage to watch (and, I would imagine, to drive) and it's got a lot of history - and I'll be there in 8 months time.....
Bri Riddell



Mar 24th, 2008 - 11:45 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Think the format of the event is spot on , and thats not because geographically its on my "doorstep" , Saturday through to Monday is perfect.

Don't cut down access for "real" speccies if you know what I mean!!!
Fantastic to see Craik being used this year , lived next to it for Twenty years , biked through it , walked it and of course spectated in it since I was a wee lad , be emotional walking into it on 16th November. Cannot wait!
Ted



Jul 10th, 2008 - 8:11 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Hi Colin,
How about the Sutton Bank stages. Wass, Kilburn,Boltby, Guisborough,Sproxton, Duncome Park, Hamsterley. Has anybody tried for Stang again? Plenty of stage commanders in this area.
Best of Luck, and keep it going. Ted.
Phil Clarke



Sep 25th, 2008 - 1:15 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Sorry coming late to this thread and I have only read the first page but I would like to say that I totally agree with Guy Weaver, a place where all of the competitors could gather and exchange stories would be great, for me personally much better than a town centre finish.

Perhaps a hog roast?
Neil Foden



Sep 26th, 2008 - 7:16 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Thanks Colin for just the best rally since the old RAC days, Ive been to all four and there's no other rally like it, loved it when Stig and the other big names are in the rally.
The build-up to the rally in November is great, and then it all over to quick.

The only thing that would make it better for me, would be for the rally to be broadcast on the radio like some other rallies, so when your deep into Dalby ect you can know whats going on, and the times.

All the best Colin on a great job javascript: void(0);
Andy Ellis



Oct 2nd, 2008 - 8:01 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Ari Vatanen/Dave Richards/MK2 Escort BDA enough said
cropton



Oct 6th, 2008 - 2:52 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

too late for 2008 but for 2009/10 would like to see friday used more.start the stages at lunch time harewood house,bramham park,temple newsam over to pickering showground for a stage and service then olivers mount x2 back to showground for overnight.
start saturday with a blast around showground then the route around the yorkshire forests.would be nice to work towards hamsterley and have a run through the watersplash there.then move over to grizedale to have a go them plenty to have a go at there to fill sunday
back to yorkshire for finish..nice and compact with a few more entries would be better i think
Slapaduma



Oct 6th, 2008 - 8:23 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

I know I'm a bit biased as I live here but how about a day in Wales? What do the rest of you think?
cropton



Oct 7th, 2008 - 3:00 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

yeh that could be good,a trip through clocaenog forest would freshen up the route may be thats what
it needs?
philip's



Oct 7th, 2008 - 3:15 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

the rally could start in the midlands and take a clockwise route taking in north wales lakedistrict then yorkshire?could the rally start at a racetrack have a bit of a rallyshow,service aerea,sevaral stages in one place?
Graham Wild



Oct 7th, 2008 - 4:40 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Speaking as a competitor in the BHRC Championship, one of the attractions of the RAC is the fact it stay's in the north.
We already have three rallies in Wales in our championship (four next year with the dropping of the Robin Hood and replacement with the Bulldog).
Lets just leave thing's alone, it's a great event as it is.
If it ain't broke why try to fix it??.
More miles means more money to compete, in the current economic climate you just may frighten off more competitor's than you'd gain.
Colin and team, your doing a good enough job as it is
don't change a thing.
Slapaduma



Oct 7th, 2008 - 4:55 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Point taken Graham, but if we could offer you stages that havent been used on the BHRC would that make any difference?
Graham Wild



Oct 7th, 2008 - 5:07 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Possibly yes Paul.
But if it meant losing the Scottish stages to keep the cost's down, then I'd sooner go to Scotland.
It's the only time we get the chance.
Geoffrey Pawson



Oct 7th, 2008 - 5:23 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

I'm biased as well and as a Yorkshireman I have to say for God's sake NO to Wales. The only way to go there is to cut existing mileage elsewhere and the current route works. The extra event and change of service venue on Monday together with a proper finish venue have answered all my criticisms of last year.
The event is obviously costly enough as it has never come close to a capacity entry.
Anyway the leek chewers have had the glamour boys to themselves for years now (and on recent form they can have them) so why shouldn't we have this one, it was invented here afterall.
Laurence Ferguson



Oct 7th, 2008 - 7:57 PM 		Re: What do you want to see in 2008

Have to agree with Mr Pawson. The home of the rally is Yorkshire and the next best thing is Cumbria/Scotland/Kielder in whatever order. I would rather have Olivers Mount in Scarborough than Great Orme in Llandudno ( I think !)

Nothing to do with the fact I help to run Dumfries service !!!!!


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