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Sakura
 Dec 26, 07 - 12:12 PM |
Happy Nativity Honoured Darlings
Happy Nativity all of you. I am so sorry to have been away from the White Rose Room and Elektraspace so much. I am always with you in spirit, believe me, and I love all my sisters in Dea and in the Motherland. I have enjoyed the Diaries very much whenever I have managed to slip in and see them. I too have wondered about where Holy Ritual in Telluria will end up. Is the Beloved Mushroom (you are beloved, you know) telling us that we are to be "Anglicans@? How curious. I remember her once mentioning that Japan and Britain, on the two extremes of the Old World in Telluria, both had a National Religion. But actually an Imperial Religion is not quite the same thing as a National Religion, is it? Is the Empress Head of the Church in Aristasia? I pop back in and am bombarding you darlings with questions already. When what I really wanted to say was: Happy, Happy, Happy Nativity. HAIELA FRIST CHANDRATI! |
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Lady Aquila
Dec 26th, 2007 - 2:00 PM |
Re: Happy Nativity Honoured Darlings
Honoured Sakura-chei, it is indeed a pleasure to hear from you and your Nativity greetings are a treasure to us all. Be assured that the honoured young mushrump's diarisings are merely her own musings and ruminations. If any official moves were in the offing they would be announced through official channels. It is true that honoured Madonna-chei, as one of our wordsmiths, occasionally pens official pronouncements, but she does not do so without formal authorisation. We still have some Law in this Protectorate! Imperial and National religions. While the Shroom said that the Anglican statements of national religion are only in expression close to Aristasian concepts, it is not quite so simple. The Anglican Church, like many English institutions, was a curious compromise, not only between Catholicism and Protestantism, but also (and relatedly) between authentically traditional and decidedly modernist (in 16th/17th-century Rajasic terms) ideas. The ideas behind the National Church are not entirely alien to the notion of the Mandate of Heaven, even though they were deeply compromised, and became increasingly more so in practice as time went on. It is possibly this curious hybrid that allowed Britain to form the first successful Profane Empire in Telluria. The first Profane Empire was that of Napoleon, founded upon rationalism, which, among other things, forced the anti-sacred system of measurement upon the nations of Europe. But this was too far "ahead of its time" in terms of degeneration to last. Is the Westrenne Empress (may Dea grant her long to reign) "Head of the Church" in Aristasia? There is much we still do not know about our Homeland, but to the best of my knowledge this is not the case. The Empress is the living representative of Sai Raya on earth (that is, Sai Herthe). As such she is the Sacred Head of the Saving Empire. However there is a a division in Aristasia between sacerdotium and regnum, between Haiela and Raihira. While the Filianic "Church" is highly influential in the West, there are various other approaches to Religion, and all are seen as part of the True Faith. This should not be seen in terms of Western-style "oecumenism" or "religious tolerance". A better model for understanding might be the so-called "Hindu faith" in which Vaisnavas, Saivas and worshippers of Our Mother God are all seen as Orthodox followers of the Veda. Naturally members of all Aristasian Faiths are worshippers of Our Mother God. But there are many approaches. So in one sense, the Empress provides the Unity that a Single Established Church might provide, but on the level of the regnum; but at the same time, the Haiela, of whatever denomination, are regarded as superior to the Raihira and have an important role in both advising and choosing the Empress. (The position of Empress is hereditary in the sense of being chosen from eligible Princesses within extended Imperial Family - not in the primogenitive sense of most Tellurian monarchs - and somewhat in the manner of certain Tibetan lamas, the true Empress is "recognised" by the Elders of the Haiela). And so, dear insatiable Sakura-chei, whose questions are a service to us all, I hope this clarifies things a little further. And - "Haiela Frist Chandrati" - I am so impressed! For those who do not know, that means "Hail (as the Moon) the Holy Princess". A blessed Nativity Season to you all. |
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Sakura
Dec 26th, 2007 - 5:59 PM |
Re: Happy Nativity Honoured Darlings
Thank you so much, most honoured Lady, for your full reply. I was a little confused by your saying that the Empire of Napoleon was the first Profane Empire. At that time I am thinking the British had already lost one Profane Empire (by Lord North) and founded another (by Lord Clive). But I am thinking perhaps you did not mean "first" in the temporal sense. May I trouble you once more to explain to a foolish one? |
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Lady Aquila
Dec 27th, 2007 - 12:36 PM |
Re: Happy Nativity Honoured Darlings
I am sorry - I was writing rather hurriedly and was unclear about Profane Empires. By profane, of course, I mean simply non-sacred: unlike the Chinese Celestial Empire, the Japanese Solar Empire, the Indian Empire or the Holy Roman Empire (To give recent patriarchal examples): a concept going back in Telluria to the great "matriarchal" and Deanic Empires such as the Cretan. The first absolutely profane empire was the Napoleonic, for it parodied the Holy Roman Empire while being utterly based on profane concepts. The British Empire neither parodied a traditional Empire (it was a maritime Empire, quite different in form) and was founded by a nation that had a National Religion which it exyended to its dominions. THus while it was profane, it retained elements of the Holy Empire theme. It was not deliberately "spitting in the face of Heaven". Like most English things it was a compromise, a hybrid in many respects, though still, from any serious perspective clearly a Profane Empire and not a Traditional Sacred Empire even in the vestigial sense that the Romanov, Hapsburg and Hohenzollern Empires of the same period were. In haste, but I hope this clarifies. |
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Lady Aquila
Dec 27th, 2007 - 12:37 PM |
Re: Happy Nativity Honoured Darlings
I am sorry - I was writing rather hurriedly and was unclear about Profane Empires. By profane, of course, I mean simply non-sacred: unlike the Chinese Celestial Empire, the Japanese Solar Empire, the Indian Empire or the Holy Roman Empire (To give recent patriarchal examples): a concept going back in Telluria to the great "matriarchal" and Deanic Empires such as the Cretan. The first absolutely profane empire was the Napoleonic, for it parodied the Holy Roman Empire while being utterly based on profane concepts. The British Empire neither parodied a traditional Empire (it was a maritime Empire, quite different in form) and was founded by a nation that had a National Religion which it exyended to its dominions. THus while it was profane, it retained elements of the Holy Empire theme. It was not deliberately "spitting in the face of Heaven". Like most English things it was a compromise, a hybrid in many respects, though still, from any serious perspective clearly a Profane Empire and not a Traditional Sacred Empire even in the vestigial sense that the Romanov, Hapsburg and Hohenzollern Empires of the same period were. In haste, but I hope this clarifies. |
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