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Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

"this lovely "no" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy" First, I never said anything about how I plan to vote. You are correct in ascertaining that I am not impressed with what has been put forward by the Yes brigade. Secondly, calling some local voters gullible and intellectually lazy is an opinion based on evidence, an opinion that is rightfully stated (and note: not personally directed). The local administrators would refer this to inquiry-based blah, blah, blah... Also, if the foo $hits... Thirdly, based on the conduct of too many in Melrose, no, I don't believe that intelligent discourse is possible in the public sphere here. Four, based on the toxicity of your posts to date, your call for polite discourse is ironic at best. Clearly you just don't like hearing another side.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Come on, man
Please notice another thread in which a poor "no" voter bemoaned the name calling by the "yes" people. And yet this lovely "no" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy. Let's stop being *******s to one another, shall we? Maybe assume that people can disagree about what to do without one side or the other being evil or stupid or both?
I like you Come On, but it is what it is. I tell myself all the time to stop visiting this train wreck of a website, but I can't turn away. In a perfect world in which we weren't full of masochistic tendencies, we would leave this cesspool to the dozen or so posters who just continually post the same snoozy arguments and insults over and over and over for perpetuity.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

A "poor no voter"? Seriously? You don't agree so you denigrate? My point is made.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Wile E Coyote, Super Genius, neglects to mention that the ignorant, benighted masses of Melrose made JD LaRock the top votegetter in the 2009 school committee election. He served for a year and a half, then resigned to take a job in Europe. I'd argue his leaving was a greater factor in losing the alderman race than people not understanding his resume. Your mileage may vary.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

What It Is
Come on, man
Please notice another thread in which a poor "no" voter bemoaned the name calling by the "yes" people. And yet this lovely "no" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy. Let's stop being *******s to one another, shall we? Maybe assume that people can disagree about what to do without one side or the other being evil or stupid or both?
I like you Come On, but it is what it is. I tell myself all the time to stop visiting this train wreck of a website, but I can't turn away. In a perfect world in which we weren't full of masochistic tendencies, we would leave this cesspool to the dozen or so posters who just continually post the same snoozy arguments and insults over and over and over for perpetuity.
I know, it's crazy here. I honestly don't know why I participate at all - I've never learned anything of value from any representatives of either side of any issue on this site, either before it closed down or after it started up again. Just a bunch of angry people shouting nonsense past one another.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Since "Come on, Man" "never learned anything of value from any representatives of either side of any issue on this site," this poster obviously didn't come here for educational purposes. There is a lot to be gleaned. If it's not to this poster's liking, then please do us all a favor and stop posting.

The reality is that this kind of poster is here for other reasons, starting with putting down anyone with a differing view and then claiming victimhood when the responses don't align with expectations and end up being "negative," that provincial Melrose bugaboo. "Come on," "Vuvu," "Clown Patrol" and the rest of the noms de plume are all from individuals who love to do classic projection, accusing others of what they themselves are actually doing.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Go Away
Since "Come on, Man" "never learned anything of value from any representatives of either side of any issue on this site," this poster obviously didn't come here for educational purposes. There is a lot to be gleaned. If it's not to this poster's liking, then please do us all a favor and stop posting.

The reality is that this kind of poster is here for other reasons, starting with putting down anyone with a differing view and then claiming victimhood when the responses don't align with expectations and end up being "negative," that provincial Melrose bugaboo. "Come on," "Vuvu," "Clown Patrol" and the rest of the noms de plume are all from individuals who love to do classic projection, accusing others of what they themselves are actually doing.
Nah, Ill stay, thanks. But if my posts aren't to your liking, you should go away. I don't know why, but I keep hoping that somehow this place will get better.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Come On, Man
Go Away
Since \"Come on, Man\" \"never learned anything of value from any representatives of either side of any issue on this site,\" this poster obviously didn\'t come here for educational purposes. There is a lot to be gleaned. If it\'s not to this poster\'s liking, then please do us all a favor and stop posting.

The reality is that this kind of poster is here for other reasons, starting with putting down anyone with a differing view and then claiming victimhood when the responses don\'t align with expectations and end up being \"negative,\" that provincial Melrose bugaboo. \"Come on,\" \"Vuvu,\" \"Clown Patrol\" and the rest of the noms de plume are all from individuals who love to do classic projection, accusing others of what they themselves are actually doing.
Nah, Ill stay, thanks. But if my posts aren't to your liking, you should go away. I don't know why, but I keep hoping that somehow this place will get better.
We probably should go, or at least stop interacting. I get the desire to try and bring some sensibility to this board so that a random internet passerby doesn't think Melrose is an absolute disaster of a town, but we are far outnumbered here. Thankfully it is just on this garbage fire of a message board, though, and not in the town of Melrose itself. Let's leave this place red-faced, frothy-mouthed simpletons that cannot put down their talking points to even attempt to think critically about an issue.

We could leave for 5 years and come back and it will still be the same things, that have ZERO bearing on whatever the current topic being discussed, spouted over and over again: OCR School Racist teacher!, Cemetery scandal [Dolan's Godfather!! AHHH!], Learning Commons Boondoggle!!!, Not a single dime more until a IMPARTIAL FORENSIC AUDIT!!! They will use these as excuses forever to justify not investing into a growing community that needs more revenue. That is all they are, though, excuses used by people wanting to feel aggrieved.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

What It Is
Come on, man
Please notice another thread in which a poor "no" voter bemoaned the name calling by the "yes" people. And yet this lovely "no" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy. Let's stop being *******s to one another, shall we? Maybe assume that people can disagree about what to do without one side or the other being evil or stupid or both?
I like you Come On, but it is what it is. I tell myself all the time to stop visiting this train wreck of a website, but I can't turn away. In a perfect world in which we weren't full of masochistic tendencies, we would leave this cesspool to the dozen or so posters who just continually post the same snoozy arguments and insults over and over and over for perpetuity.
You come to this site as do others because it provides information and insight on the schools and city government that city hall and the school department simply refuses to release. Over the last several years the worst this city has to offer spent hundreds and thousands of dollars attempting to obstruct public records laws and open meeting laws to the point that our own elected representatives on the school committee and in the aldermanic chamber have had to file multiple complaints with the AG's Office and Secretary of State's office just to get even basic information in order to make informed decisions on important votes.


The difference between you and others who come to this site is that you and your cabal use the information to figure out how do damage control and prevent future leaks of city/school administrator malfeasance and stupidity.


The others on this site use the information to better our city and schools and make informed decisions on important future override decisions and elections.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Gee Martha
What It Is
Come on, man
Please notice another thread in which a poor \"no\" voter bemoaned the name calling by the \"yes\" people. And yet this lovely \"no\" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy. Let\'s stop being *******s to one another, shall we? Maybe assume that people can disagree about what to do without one side or the other being evil or stupid or both?
I like you Come On, but it is what it is. I tell myself all the time to stop visiting this train wreck of a website, but I can\'t turn away. In a perfect world in which we weren\'t full of masochistic tendencies, we would leave this cesspool to the dozen or so posters who just continually post the same snoozy arguments and insults over and over and over for perpetuity.
You come to this site as do others because it provides information and insight on the schools and city government that city hall and the school department simply refuses to release. Over the last several years the worst this city has to offer spent hundreds and thousands of dollars attempting to obstruct public records laws and open meeting laws to the point that our own elected representatives on the school committee and in the aldermanic chamber have had to file multiple complaints with the AG's Office and Secretary of State's office just to get even basic information in order to make informed decisions on important votes.


The difference between you and others who come to this site is that you and your cabal use the information to figure out how do damage control and prevent future leaks of city/school administrator malfeasance and stupidity.


The others on this site use the information to better our city and schools and make informed decisions on important future override decisions and elections.
Oh Yeah... I forgot to mention the incessant harping on the open meeting laws. Thanks for reminding me!

Also... "cabal". Hah! What a joke! Using that word literally reads like a parody of a paranoiac. It's a sleepy suburb, dude, not Soviet Russia. Ya'll need to stay of InfoWars.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

The same issues keep getting brought up because none of them ever get addressed, let alone fixed. What part of that escapes you? Sad.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

It's funny that you bring up that this is a sleepy little suburb and mention in the same sentence Soviet Russia.... almost as if you are defending against the obvious parallels...hmmmm... And Infowars? Really? The irony here is that I largely vote as a Democrat, but I believe there is no place for partisan politics in local city or town elections; I simply vote in the best interests of the city. It is odd but not surprising that you have no respect for transparency, free speech and public records laws and fail to realize that this is a major problem here in Melrose. What happened to "an educated and informed voter? is this just a slogan?

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

In Melrose, it's an oxymoron.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Educated and informed voter.We do have.Just to get even basic information in order to make informed decisions on important votes. The voters will do.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Seriously?
The same issues keep getting brought up because none of them ever get addressed, let alone fixed. What part of that escapes you? Sad.
What is there to address with the cemetery scandal? Just because you think there's more doesn't mean there is. The offender was investigated by the proper authorities and prosecuted. Because you imagine there to be a wide-ranging scandal doesn't mean there is. I am sure an investigation would have turned up any deeper corruption.

What is there to address with a building that has been built already? Some people like it. Some people don't. The building as it is is satisfactory. Want them to tear it down and ask for a refund?

What is there to address regarding made-up open meeting law violations? Honestly they don't happen often at all, and when they do, people like yourself tend to put in complaints and wrists gets slapped. The reasons the penalties are light is because it is typically accidental and not nefarious.

What is there to address regarding the OCR Report? A teacher said a messed up racist thing. It was investigated. A report was filed. There doesn't appear to be any other systemic racism by people in authority in the schools that anyone can point to. So what is there to do?

These all amount to things you don't like or cudgels you can continuously use to try and bash a power structure you are unhappy with or extrapolate into some kind of overarching grand conspiracy. They are all dead and buried. Bringing them up over and over again makes it seems like you are running out of bullets for your arguments.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

What It Is
Seriously?
The same issues keep getting brought up because none of them ever get addressed, let alone fixed. What part of that escapes you? Sad.
What is there to address with the cemetery scandal? Just because you think there's more doesn't mean there is. The offender was investigated by the proper authorities and prosecuted. Because you imagine there to be a wide-ranging scandal doesn't mean there is. I am sure an investigation would have turned up any deeper corruption.

What is there to address with a building that has been built already? Some people like it. Some people don't. The building as it is is satisfactory. Want them to tear it down and ask for a refund?

What is there to address regarding made-up open meeting law violations? Honestly they don't happen often at all, and when they do, people like yourself tend to put in complaints and wrists gets slapped. The reasons the penalties are light is because it is typically accidental and not nefarious.

What is there to address regarding the OCR Report? A teacher said a messed up racist thing. It was investigated. A report was filed. There doesn't appear to be any other systemic racism by people in authority in the schools that anyone can point to. So what is there to do?

These all amount to things you don't like or cudgels you can continuously use to try and bash a power structure you are unhappy with or extrapolate into some kind of overarching grand conspiracy. They are all dead and buried. Bringing them up over and over again makes it seems like you are running out of bullets for your arguments.
Thank you.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

"There doesn't appear to be any other systemic racism by people in authority in the schools that anyone can point to."

This is the most wide-ranging whitewash of a number of very serious issues seen to date. The corruption and mismanagement are comprehensive in Melrose, despite what too many locals wish to believe. Just because the public wasn't informed about say, the co-conspirators in the cemetery commissioner's felonious conduct doesn't mean there isn't serious misconduct that involved others in city government, only that the pubic was kept out of the loop. Duh!

Since you referenced OCR and turned such a serious situation into your bland whitewash, here's the real deal:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwjdqqqG8IvfAhVRmeAKHUeDDm8QFjACegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.ed.gov%2Fabout%2Foffices%2Flist%2Focr%2Fdocs%2Finvestigations%2Fmore%2F01141259-a.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0dqx3G3SOv36oNAIquiSr_

OCR found that the Student was subject to a hostile environment based on race.

OCR’s investigation finds that the District violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI)

OCR found that the incident was publicized in an online community news article, which
included comments by a city official concerning the incident, and was the subject of
discussion and commentary in the community.

To establish a violation of Title VI under the hostile environment theory, OCR must find
that: (1) a racially hostile environment existed; (2) the recipient had actual or constructive
notice of the racially hostile environment; and (3) the recipient failed to respond
adequately to redress the racially hostile environment. To determine whether a racially
hostile environment exists, the racially-based conduct must be severe, pervasive or
persistent.

https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/education_law/2016/02/ocr-finds-melrose-schools-failed-to-adequately-respond-to-teachers-statement-that-a-student-should-n.html

After its own investigation, OCR found that the District did not sufficiently respond to the hostile environment. First, its investigation and response was delayed. Second, it did not fully delve into the teacher's past behavior to determine the extent of the problem. Third, it did not provide parents with sufficient notice of what had occurred. Fourth, during the investigation, the district did not take action to remedy the effects of the hostile environment on other students. In short, while the District responded to the hostile environment, it did not take adequate steps to address it.

OCR's close attention to the way in which the incident affected the entire school community and the way District responded is significant. Courts are often dismissive of what they call "isolated" incidents and so long as a district does "something," courts tend to find the response adequate. Here, OCR makes clear that racially hostile comments affect everyone and cannot be viewed in isolation. Thus, it is a districts obligation to broaden the scope of its investigation and response.

The full findings are here.

The resolution agreement, which includes additional steps that the District will take, is here.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

wow
"There doesn't appear to be any other systemic racism by people in authority in the schools that anyone can point to."

This is the most wide-ranging whitewash of a number of very serious issues seen to date. The corruption and mismanagement are comprehensive in Melrose, despite what too many locals wish to believe. Just because the public wasn't informed about say, the co-conspirators in the cemetery commissioner's felonious conduct doesn't mean there isn't serious misconduct that involved others in city government, only that the pubic was kept out of the loop. Duh!

Since you referenced OCR and turned such a serious situation into your bland whitewash, here's the real deal:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwjdqqqG8IvfAhVRmeAKHUeDDm8QFjACegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.ed.gov%2Fabout%2Foffices%2Flist%2Focr%2Fdocs%2Finvestigations%2Fmore%2F01141259-a.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0dqx3G3SOv36oNAIquiSr_

OCR found that the Student was subject to a hostile environment based on race.

OCR’s investigation finds that the District violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI)

OCR found that the incident was publicized in an online community news article, which
included comments by a city official concerning the incident, and was the subject of
discussion and commentary in the community.

To establish a violation of Title VI under the hostile environment theory, OCR must find
that: (1) a racially hostile environment existed; (2) the recipient had actual or constructive
notice of the racially hostile environment; and (3) the recipient failed to respond
adequately to redress the racially hostile environment. To determine whether a racially
hostile environment exists, the racially-based conduct must be severe, pervasive or
persistent.

https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/education_law/2016/02/ocr-finds-melrose-schools-failed-to-adequately-respond-to-teachers-statement-that-a-student-should-n.html

After its own investigation, OCR found that the District did not sufficiently respond to the hostile environment. First, its investigation and response was delayed. Second, it did not fully delve into the teacher's past behavior to determine the extent of the problem. Third, it did not provide parents with sufficient notice of what had occurred. Fourth, during the investigation, the district did not take action to remedy the effects of the hostile environment on other students. In short, while the District responded to the hostile environment, it did not take adequate steps to address it.

OCR's close attention to the way in which the incident affected the entire school community and the way District responded is significant. Courts are often dismissive of what they call "isolated" incidents and so long as a district does "something," courts tend to find the response adequate. Here, OCR makes clear that racially hostile comments affect everyone and cannot be viewed in isolation. Thus, it is a districts obligation to broaden the scope of its investigation and response.

The full findings are here.

The resolution agreement, which includes additional steps that the District will take, is here.

In response to the part I bolded in your reply above: That literally is what a slobbering hobo railing about how fluoride is government mind control thinks regarding proof. You are literally saying your conspiracy-addled, fevered imagination is somehow a more reliable source of information than an investigation that resulted in a conviction at a PUBLIC trial. Do you honestly think prosecutors wouldn't have been interested in pursuing more charges against more parties if there was any proof of involvement? Straight bonkers, buddy. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say.

As for the OCR Report, since you sent me the google link so helpfully, here is a quote from it:

"Based on its investigation, OCR finds that the District did not comply with its obligations
under Title VI with regard to the complaint allegation. The District has agreed to take the
steps in the enclosed Agreement. OCR will monitor the District’s implementation of the
Agreement until, when fully implemented, the Agreement addresses all of OCR’s Title VI
compliance concerns.

With regard to the Agreement, OCR has agreed to modify certain timelines in Items 2 and
19, the completion of which is dependent, in part, on the issuance of this letter.
Accordingly, the timeline for completion of Item 2 is March 1, 2016. Additionally, the
timeline for completion of the initial needs assessment under Item 19 is May 15, 2016, with
the relevant report due to OCR by May 31, 2016."

Were there any additional OCR Reviews you can point to that occurred after 5/31/16? If not, I think we can assume that OCR's issue with Melrose's response to the incident and preparation for response to future incidents was completed to their satisfaction TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO!

I want to be clear that I don't love Taymore. She is pretty much a nothing to me. She could be any Superintendent and I couldn't tell the difference. That is not a particularly good job she is doing if that is the case. I just don't think she is the devil like this board does. She is just a bland functionary doing her job. Same goes for the Aldermen/School Board and Mayor. I would like to see more exciting people doing big things, but I imagine the big changes you would like to see are diametrically opposed to mine. Maybe it is better, in that case, if it just stays boring. At least I make the effort to see that. You just get frothy-mouthed angry and take your sausage fingers and type out the equivalent of gnashing your teeth over and over again.

This is tired and ya'll are jokes. But keep patting yourself on the back and linking to documents that you can't be arsed to read critically for yourselves.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

What It Is
wow
\"There doesn\'t appear to be any other systemic racism by people in authority in the schools that anyone can point to.\"

This is the most wide-ranging whitewash of a number of very serious issues seen to date. The corruption and mismanagement are comprehensive in Melrose, despite what too many locals wish to believe. Just because the public wasn\'t informed about say, the co-conspirators in the cemetery commissioner\'s felonious conduct doesn\'t mean there isn\'t serious misconduct that involved others in city government, only that the pubic was kept out of the loop. Duh!

Since you referenced OCR and turned such a serious situation into your bland whitewash, here\'s the real deal:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwjdqqqG8IvfAhVRmeAKHUeDDm8QFjACegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.ed.gov%2Fabout%2Foffices%2Flist%2Focr%2Fdocs%2Finvestigations%2Fmore%2F01141259-a.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0dqx3G3SOv36oNAIquiSr_

OCR found that the Student was subject to a hostile environment based on race.

OCR’s investigation finds that the District violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI)

OCR found that the incident was publicized in an online community news article, which
included comments by a city official concerning the incident, and was the subject of
discussion and commentary in the community.

To establish a violation of Title VI under the hostile environment theory, OCR must find
that: (1) a racially hostile environment existed; (2) the recipient had actual or constructive
notice of the racially hostile environment; and (3) the recipient failed to respond
adequately to redress the racially hostile environment. To determine whether a racially
hostile environment exists, the racially-based conduct must be severe, pervasive or
persistent.

https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/education_law/2016/02/ocr-finds-melrose-schools-failed-to-adequately-respond-to-teachers-statement-that-a-student-should-n.html

After its own investigation, OCR found that the District did not sufficiently respond to the hostile environment. First, its investigation and response was delayed. Second, it did not fully delve into the teacher\'s past behavior to determine the extent of the problem. Third, it did not provide parents with sufficient notice of what had occurred. Fourth, during the investigation, the district did not take action to remedy the effects of the hostile environment on other students. In short, while the District responded to the hostile environment, it did not take adequate steps to address it.

OCR\'s close attention to the way in which the incident affected the entire school community and the way District responded is significant. Courts are often dismissive of what they call \"isolated\" incidents and so long as a district does \"something,\" courts tend to find the response adequate. Here, OCR makes clear that racially hostile comments affect everyone and cannot be viewed in isolation. Thus, it is a districts obligation to broaden the scope of its investigation and response.

The full findings are here.

The resolution agreement, which includes additional steps that the District will take, is here.

In response to the part I bolded in your reply above: That literally is what a slobbering hobo railing about how fluoride is government mind control thinks regarding proof. You are literally saying your conspiracy-addled, fevered imagination is somehow a more reliable source of information than an investigation that resulted in a conviction at a PUBLIC trial. Do you honestly think prosecutors wouldn\'t have been interested in pursuing more charges against more parties if there was any proof of involvement? Straight bonkers, buddy. If you can\'t see that, I don\'t know what else to say.

As for the OCR Report, since you sent me the google link so helpfully, here is a quote from it:

\"Based on its investigation, OCR finds that the District did not comply with its obligations
under Title VI with regard to the complaint allegation. The District has agreed to take the
steps in the enclosed Agreement. OCR will monitor the District’s implementation of the
Agreement until, when fully implemented, the Agreement addresses all of OCR’s Title VI
compliance concerns.

With regard to the Agreement, OCR has agreed to modify certain timelines in Items 2 and
19, the completion of which is dependent, in part, on the issuance of this letter.
Accordingly, the timeline for completion of Item 2 is March 1, 2016. Additionally, the
timeline for completion of the initial needs assessment under Item 19 is May 15, 2016, with
the relevant report due to OCR by May 31, 2016.\"

Were there any additional OCR Reviews you can point to that occurred after 5/31/16? If not, I think we can assume that OCR\'s issue with Melrose\'s response to the incident and preparation for response to future incidents was completed to their satisfaction TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO!

I want to be clear that I don\'t love Taymore. She is pretty much a nothing to me. She could be any Superintendent and I couldn\'t tell the difference. That is not a particularly good job she is doing if that is the case. I just don\'t think she is the devil like this board does. She is just a bland functionary doing her job. Same goes for the Aldermen/School Board and Mayor. I would like to see more exciting people doing big things, but I imagine the big changes you would like to see are diametrically opposed to mine. Maybe it is better, in that case, if it just stays boring. At least I make the effort to see that. You just get frothy-mouthed angry and take your sausage fingers and type out the equivalent of gnashing your teeth over and over again.

This is tired and ya\'ll are jokes. But keep patting yourself on the back and linking to documents that you can\'t be arsed to read critically for yourselves.
He allegedly split the fund with the people he had pose as sellers – none of whom ever owned the plots that were sold, the DA said.

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Swell. I screwed up the quote function. One more try -

"In response to the part I bolded in your reply above: That literally is what a slobbering hobo railing about how fluoride is government mind control thinks regarding proof. You are literally saying your conspiracy-addled, fevered imagination is somehow a more reliable source of information than an investigation that resulted in a conviction at a PUBLIC trial. Do you honestly think prosecutors wouldn't have been interested in pursuing more charges against more parties if there was any proof of involvement? Straight bonkers, buddy. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say."

"He allegedly split the funds with the people he had pose as sellers – none of whom ever owned the plots that were sold, the DA said."

That, my friend is a textbook case of conspiracy. It's an interesting question, isn't it? Who were the people posing as sellers, and why were they never charged?

If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Wrong
Swell. I screwed up the quote function. One more try -

"In response to the part I bolded in your reply above: That literally is what a slobbering hobo railing about how fluoride is government mind control thinks regarding proof. You are literally saying your conspiracy-addled, fevered imagination is somehow a more reliable source of information than an investigation that resulted in a conviction at a PUBLIC trial. Do you honestly think prosecutors wouldn't have been interested in pursuing more charges against more parties if there was any proof of involvement? Straight bonkers, buddy. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say."

"He allegedly split the funds with the people he had pose as sellers – none of whom ever owned the plots that were sold, the DA said."

That, my friend is a textbook case of conspiracy. It's an interesting question, isn't it? Who were the people posing as sellers, and why were they never charged?

If you can't see that, I don't know what else to say.
You do know what alleged means, right? Pretty sure if they could more than allege there would be charges.

Just to confirm, you think Mayor Dolan was involved? Not that, even if there were people posting as sellers, it would just be small time crooks trying to make a quick buck? I can't get on board with that level a conspiracy theorising. It is just plain odd to me.

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Of course I know what alleged means. In the criminal justice world, it's the word you have to use prior to a conviction to avoid prejudicing the case.

A conspiracy is "an actual covert plot planned and/or carried out by two or more persons". My question remains. Who were the others involved?

I don't think Dolan had a clue about it. I didn't much care for him, but he's way too smart to get involved in something so stupid and almost certain to be discovered at some point.

Of course it's odd. It's hard for a rational person to understand why anyone would do something so stupid, but in case you hadn't noticed, the vast majority of crooks aren't really all that bright.

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Wrong
Of course I know what alleged means. In the criminal justice world, it's the word you have to use prior to a conviction to avoid prejudicing the case.

A conspiracy is "an actual covert plot planned and/or carried out by two or more persons". My question remains. Who were the others involved?

I don't think Dolan had a clue about it. I didn't much care for him, but he's way too smart to get involved in something so stupid and almost certain to be discovered at some point.

Of course it's odd. It's hard for a rational person to understand why anyone would do something so stupid, but in case you hadn't noticed, the vast majority of crooks aren't really all that bright.
Okay, then who cares and why does this board mebtion it so much over a year after it got discovered? Also? Why do they always mention it was Folan's godfather? They are trying to hint at some conspiracy. Otherwise it's just a boring crime committed by a bad dude.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Unbelievable. I give up. It always amazes me that some people will turn a blind eye to anything until it directly affects them.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

VOTE NO! Follow the facts.. the truth.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Come On, Man
What It Is
Come on, man
Please notice another thread in which a poor \"no\" voter bemoaned the name calling by the \"yes\" people. And yet this lovely \"no\" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy. Let\'s stop being *******s to one another, shall we? Maybe assume that people can disagree about what to do without one side or the other being evil or stupid or both?
I like you Come On, but it is what it is. I tell myself all the time to stop visiting this train wreck of a website, but I can\'t turn away. In a perfect world in which we weren\'t full of masochistic tendencies, we would leave this cesspool to the dozen or so posters who just continually post the same snoozy arguments and insults over and over and over for perpetuity.
I know, it's crazy here. I honestly don't know why I participate at all - I've never learned anything of value from any representatives of either side of any issue on this site, either before it closed down or after it started up again. Just a bunch of angry people shouting nonsense past one another.
He calls people poor yet lives in melrose lol. If you’re so wealthy why not take up residence in an actual affluent community? There are plenty in the metro area.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Phony
Come On, Man
What It Is
Come on, man
Please notice another thread in which a poor \\\"no\\\" voter bemoaned the name calling by the \\\"yes\\\" people. And yet this lovely \\\"no\\\" voter accuses yes voters of being gullible and intellectually lazy. Let\\\'s stop being *******s to one another, shall we? Maybe assume that people can disagree about what to do without one side or the other being evil or stupid or both?
I like you Come On, but it is what it is. I tell myself all the time to stop visiting this train wreck of a website, but I can\\\'t turn away. In a perfect world in which we weren\\\'t full of masochistic tendencies, we would leave this cesspool to the dozen or so posters who just continually post the same snoozy arguments and insults over and over and over for perpetuity.
I know, it\'s crazy here. I honestly don\'t know why I participate at all - I\'ve never learned anything of value from any representatives of either side of any issue on this site, either before it closed down or after it started up again. Just a bunch of angry people shouting nonsense past one another.
He calls people poor yet lives in melrose lol. If you’re so wealthy why not take up residence in an actual affluent community? There are plenty in the metro area.
Oh, come on. I wasn't using poor in the economic sense and you **** well know it. I was using poor in the "woe is me" sense.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

You can learned a lot of value from this either side of any issue on this site, either before it closed down or after it started up again. October 2018.There are no existing checks and balances for are school;s.Just look at the things that should not have came to light.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

There are plenty of facts to show why not. Yes seems to be a bit more of an aggressive approach with hostile rhetoric and the same speech and information as well as slogans over and over again just like every other time.

VOTE NO!

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

TIME TO RAISE THE BAR IN MELROSE BACK TO A SYSTEM THAT REPRESENTS ALL OF THE
CITIZENS.

Re: Melrose Gets What it Deserves

Get your facts and information and tell the community. I vote no becuase when you add the numbers and do the research it does not even come close to adding up. The Mayor has no answers. Taymore talk in circles about a plan for the future. One sentence is one thing the next is the opposite of what was said. Mismanagement! VOTE NO! SPREAD THE WORD! The Yes group spent 25,000 last time. Impressive. Give that money to the Police they need it!