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Predictions for Outcome of Override

With less than a week until the city goes to the polls to decide the fate of the proposed override.....any realistic predictions on the outcome?

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55-45

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Willie
55-45

Willie which way ?
Yes or No ?

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No, 58-42.

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Every NO voter better make sure to get to the polls. The tax increase is permanent. The one Melrose will be out in full force.

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"Yes or No?", I just predict numbers, not winners or losers :).

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Jealous fellows
Every NO voter better make sure to get to the polls. The tax increase is permanent. The one Melrose will be out in full force.
the weather according to mz is going to be great for the one Melrose campaign. well then it should be even better for the no voters. fine walking weather for we poor people without cars.

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Other than a blizzard, weather should never enter into voting, for anything!
Well, maybe a hurricane also!

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This is not a magic show - we don't do predictions

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JMA
This is not a magic show - we don't do predictions
Laughing at this. Thank you.

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JMA
This is not a magic show - we don't do predictions
But it is a circus 🤷🏻‍♀️

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63% to 37% Yes prevails

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Yes
63% to 37% Yes prevails
As depressing as that is, you might be right. Please head out and VOTE if you are against this override.

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Hope Not
Yes
63% to 37% Yes prevails
As depressing as that is, you might be right. Please head out and VOTE if you are against this override.
Do the same if you're for the override! Can you imagine what elections would be like if we had 90+% participation?

Everyone, just get out there and vote for the option that you think will be best for your family and our community.

I vote yes. If you vote no, that's OK, even though I don't agree.

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70-30%. Yes prevails.

Yes just got endorsement from Weekly News

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Weekly news endorsement
70-30%. Yes prevails.

Yes just got endorsement from Weekly News
The Weekly News will not change my vote. Why would I change my mind just because a local newspaper endorsed something 🤔

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One of the many reasons why I will vote no is that the reasoning behind the override is that GI wants to spend more on the schools, at a time of economic uncertainty. The city will try to meet this goal with or without the additional override. Without it they threaten to reduce city services. But they will still spend $$ on the schools, which they have not demonstrated whether or not it will improve outcomes. Basically they are saying property owners will be screwed one way or another.

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https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/06/link-school-spending-student-achievement/

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Hah!
VOTE NO
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/06/link-school-spending-student-achievement/
Literally a link to a Minnesota conservative think tank's "study". Had to dig pretty deep for that one, huh?

Pretty sure the jury was already in for the article writer before they did their first iota of "research". Might be the most biased source of cherry-picked information I have ever seen posted on this dumpster fire of a site. It is "amazing" that the article writer couldn't see a single other factor as to why Washington DC might have worse academic results than Massachusetts or Utah. What a joke!

If you have to dig that deep for points to support your cause, it really says it all.
I am sure you would rather have a liberal think tank study, which would support your view.
One issue is still true, Melrose still ranks higher in student outcomes than cities and towns who spend considerably more per pupil. But then again, your "wisdom" that conservatives are somehow less informed is the typical liberal point of view. Absolutely no surprise....

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VOTE NO
Hah!
VOTE NO
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/06/link-school-spending-student-achievement/
Literally a link to a Minnesota conservative think tank\'s \"study\". Had to dig pretty deep for that one, huh?

Pretty sure the jury was already in for the article writer before they did their first iota of \"research\". Might be the most biased source of cherry-picked information I have ever seen posted on this dumpster fire of a site. It is \"amazing\" that the article writer couldn\'t see a single other factor as to why Washington DC might have worse academic results than Massachusetts or Utah. What a joke!

If you have to dig that deep for points to support your cause, it really says it all.
I am sure you would rather have a liberal think tank study, which would support your view.
One issue is still true, Melrose still ranks higher in student outcomes than cities and towns who spend considerably more per pupil. But then again, your "wisdom" that conservatives are somehow less informed is the typical liberal point of view. Absolutely no surprise....
It also ranks far lower that many towns that spend far more per pupil. In fact, nearly every district ranked higher spends more.

No one is saying more money is always a fix all. But properly funding, providing appropriate resources and support, is a major component of a healthy school district.

Just in a quick glance at that study, it looks like it is comparing without factoring in regional cost differences - ie what that money per pupil can buy. The numbers don't appear to have been normalized. Comparing Alaska prices to Massachusetts prices, for example, is absurd.

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Individual 1
VOTE NO
Hah!
VOTE NO
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/06/link-school-spending-student-achievement/
Literally a link to a Minnesota conservative think tank\\\'s \\\"study\\\". Had to dig pretty deep for that one, huh?

Pretty sure the jury was already in for the article writer before they did their first iota of \\\"research\\\". Might be the most biased source of cherry-picked information I have ever seen posted on this dumpster fire of a site. It is \\\"amazing\\\" that the article writer couldn\\\'t see a single other factor as to why Washington DC might have worse academic results than Massachusetts or Utah. What a joke!

If you have to dig that deep for points to support your cause, it really says it all.
I am sure you would rather have a liberal think tank study, which would support your view.
One issue is still true, Melrose still ranks higher in student outcomes than cities and towns who spend considerably more per pupil. But then again, your \"wisdom\" that conservatives are somehow less informed is the typical liberal point of view. Absolutely no surprise....
It also ranks far lower that many towns that spend far more per pupil. In fact, nearly every district ranked higher spends more.

No one is saying more money is always a fix all. But properly funding, providing appropriate resources and support, is a major component of a healthy school district.

Just in a quick glance at that study, it looks like it is comparing without factoring in regional cost differences - ie what that money per pupil can buy. The numbers don't appear to have been normalized. Comparing Alaska prices to Massachusetts prices, for example, is absurd.
One problem.... the budget numbers given by City Hall can not be verified. The increase in student enrollment is subjective at best. Teacher retention is well above the state average. Student outcomes are good, even given the lower per student spending. Nothing City Hall has put forth will increase student outcomes. You can pay a teacher more, but does that make the teacher better? I'll go out on a limb and say definitely no.
Regardless of how the override turns out, city infrastructure will remain the same. In fact, expect a call for overrides to fund a new/renovation of the Police building. The same with Fire. Increased water and sewer rates (the third highest in the MWRA district) The list goes on. The pockets of the tax payer are only so deep.

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Hah!
VOTE NO
Hah!
VOTE NO
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/06/link-school-spending-student-achievement/
Literally a link to a Minnesota conservative think tank\\\'s \\\"study\\\". Had to dig pretty deep for that one, huh?

Pretty sure the jury was already in for the article writer before they did their first iota of \\\"research\\\". Might be the most biased source of cherry-picked information I have ever seen posted on this dumpster fire of a site. It is \\\"amazing\\\" that the article writer couldn\\\'t see a single other factor as to why Washington DC might have worse academic results than Massachusetts or Utah. What a joke!

If you have to dig that deep for points to support your cause, it really says it all.
I am sure you would rather have a liberal think tank study, which would support your view.
One issue is still true, Melrose still ranks higher in student outcomes than cities and towns who spend considerably more per pupil. But then again, your \"wisdom\" that conservatives are somehow less informed is the typical liberal point of view. Absolutely no surprise....
I'd prefer a "study" not from a partisan think tank at all. Like this one from Northwestern University's Institute for Policy Research:

https://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/publications/docs/workingpapers/2015/IPR-WP-15-19.pdf

That is what an actual study looks like not just comparing numbers without context to buttress a conclusion that was obviously politically motivated. Now the real question.... since it is more than 4 paragraphs long... will you read it? I am betting not.
First....linking a study from 2 of the most liberal universities? Read prior comment.
Second... I would gladly read a 83 page study, verify facts, ect given time. My question in response to yours is....did you read this study? or did you just do a google search to find a link?

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I'd guess at 64% vote "No".
The fact that only (roughly) 4000 people in Winchester only showed up for a 10 MILLION dollar override is a little disturbing....

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Hah!
VOTE NO
Hah!
VOTE NO
Hah!
VOTE NO
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2017/06/link-school-spending-student-achievement/
Literally a link to a Minnesota conservative think tank\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"study\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\". Had to dig pretty deep for that one, huh?

Pretty sure the jury was already in for the article writer before they did their first iota of \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"research\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\". Might be the most biased source of cherry-picked information I have ever seen posted on this dumpster fire of a site. It is \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"amazing\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" that the article writer couldn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t see a single other factor as to why Washington DC might have worse academic results than Massachusetts or Utah. What a joke!

If you have to dig that deep for points to support your cause, it really says it all.
I am sure you would rather have a liberal think tank study, which would support your view.
One issue is still true, Melrose still ranks higher in student outcomes than cities and towns who spend considerably more per pupil. But then again, your \\\\\\\"wisdom\\\\\\\" that conservatives are somehow less informed is the typical liberal point of view. Absolutely no surprise....
I\\\'d prefer a \\\"study\\\" not from a partisan think tank at all. Like this one from Northwestern University\\\'s Institute for Policy Research:

https://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/publications/docs/workingpapers/2015/IPR-WP-15-19.pdf

That is what an actual study looks like not just comparing numbers without context to buttress a conclusion that was obviously politically motivated. Now the real question.... since it is more than 4 paragraphs long... will you read it? I am betting not.
First....linking a study from 2 of the most liberal universities? Read prior comment.
Second... I would gladly read a 83 page study, verify facts, ect given time. My question in response to yours is....did you read this study? or did you just do a google search to find a link?
Of course I did, and if you did, you would see how this study takes into account income disparity. I can't say I perfectly understood it all as I am not attempting to get my doctorate in public policy. It certainly makes clear to me through empirical evidence how adding more money to the schools helps to level the playing field for lower income students. I consider that important and a worthwhile and attainable goal. Something your 4 paragraph think tank politically motivated trash couldn't even fathom to do.

I definitely love how you wrote it off as from a liberal university out of hand though. Universities of all types are geared toward learning and expanding knowledge, "think tanks" (which you are so happy to link to) are, by definition, political tools. Nice false equivalency. Keep on mainlining Fox News.
Your complete liberal ignorance is cute. Doubtful you read that "study" past the intro....also doubtful Fox News is covering the Melrose override. And for the record, income disparity is not the issue in Melrose schools. At the end of the day, I have one vote, and so do you.

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Every study has its flaws, no matter the source. You seriously think university studies are not biased? That's cute and naive. Did I think I had a winner? Certainly not. Just information, regardless of what your narrowly focused agenda is. But your opinion is your right, just as my opinion is my right. FYI....still 2 NO votes from my household, which I own outright.

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It's been known since at least the 1980s that throwing money at schools doesn't impact outcomes they way you'd assume. Many other factors matter more for achievement but those that want more money for schools have every incentive to say otherwise.

This Melrose override is about newcomers wanting the rest of the city to pay for some niceties that they want their children to have, yet don't want to provide themselves. They would rather that others pay for it.

Voting NO.

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The no vote will win 63-37 but the city will continue to gentrify and The city will continue to try to be Lexington full of people to claim to care for folks less fortunate then themselves but will be unwilling to practice this in thier own communities. The city will never stop for an override, let the folks that have more and want to vote yes donate money to the city leave the folks on the brink alone.

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5400 For
5200 Against

Yes carries the day.

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Yes prevails in a blow out 70-30%. Voter turnout less than 8k.

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53%/47% NO wins

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I don't have a prediction, but will say that, for an issue as important as this, anything other than a 'record turnout' will be very disappointing, as, whatever the outcome, it would be nice to know that a "true majority" of the citizens felt that way!

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Oldie
I don\'t have a prediction, but will say that, for an issue as important as this, anything other than a \'record turnout\' will be very disappointing, as, whatever the outcome, it would be nice to know that a \"true majority\" of the citizens felt that way!
That is why it is important for NO voters to show up. They have been bullied and made to feel unwelcome in their own city by the falsely named one Melrose. The polls are where you can speak freely.

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One last prediction....regardless of the outcome today, we will all be in the same position debating another override in a few years....enough is never enough particularly for the One Melrose crowd🤣

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Willie
55-45
You are the winner. You should play keno, buy a lottery ticket or go to foxwoods. Something.

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VOTE NO
53%/47% NO wins
This would have been ideal and realistic

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Voter turnout was around 11K