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Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!!

You sure remember and correctly stated the names of the folks who lived in and around that area. But Daniel, did you know who was Mr. Jim's, as you called him, first child? He was the father of Gouyave's famous FLJ. I never knew who FLJ's mother was, but Frank was Jim's first child. He grew up with Jim's mother, cousin Margaret. In A PLACE CALLED GOUYAVE you will notice that I spoke at length about cousin Margaret and my mother's close relationship. That's because they were first cousins. Cousin Margaret's mother, Miss Mawee, and my mother's mother therefore my grandma, Miss Ceaty, were sisters. That would explain how FLJ, Pamela (LBM's Godmother), Byron, Dolores, Joan, Marcelle, Leon and the rest of Lee DeCoteau's children, plus Joslyn and her children like Cornel and Nugent and I and the rest of Miss Idora's family are all related.

And btw, wasn't Obediah a street-cleaner as well?

Finally, I never knew nor thought of Lower Edward Street as a part of Shanty Town. Back then River Lane was River Lane and Lower Edward Street was simply Edward Street. That dirt road that linked the area from the pipe stand on New Street past the public toilet running alongside the river, and ending near to where Dada (Miss Sylvia) lived was lovingly called River Lane. People like cousin Margaret, Miss Nita (Tilda's mother), Miss Uska (the grandma of Miss Phita who lives in Brothers), Miss Harold (Paparoo's grandma), Miss Iriney (Dada's mother) and others once lived there. Man, it used to be one of the more very pleasant walking areas of the L'Anse, and as a little boy that was one of our main marble playing spots. After leaving Grenada, I couldn't believe that this was the same River Lane that folks were now calling Shanty Town with all the negative stereotypes that it conjures. How sad!

Congrats my friend, keep up the good story-telling because the history of our Gouyave is so very interesting if only to find out who is related to whom!

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!!

Yes,Tony. I know River Lane. It is the undisputed name for that area of Edwards Street in Gouyave. However, Shanty Town was a more popular name for that said area, when I was a little boy. It reminds me of Harlem, Belfast, and Barbados; which became the unofficial names for the areas like Hubble Bridge, etc. Nevertheless, many years have passed; and people don't know what the official names of these areas were.

That's where the saying: "the longest liver sees the most", comes to light!

About Frank (FLJ). I'd always thought of him as a grandchild to Miss Melda, as well as MMargaret and Brenda Mitchell, who migrated to the UK some good few years ago. And that Frank joined them at a later date. Frank and my big brother, Kent, were wonderful buddies. I never knew who Frank's mother, nor father was. Later, I'd learned that Frank was a "Cumberbatch" (sp), and that he was indeed related to Miss Lee.

Miss Lee was the mother of the "Joan" you mentioned in your post.

I don't think that I'd ever known the linkage of Miss Idora to the Cumberbatch, so many of the folks you claimed to be your cousins, are a surprise to me.

There was a lady that lived one, or two doors away from Miss Croix called, Miss Georgiana (sp), and I have heard from since my boyhood days, that she and Miss Idora were blood sisters. Apart from that, I have no other knowledge of who, if any, were a sister, or a brother, for that matter of fact, to Miss Idora.

But, everyone says that "we're living in a small world", and many folks around us are related to each other, in one way or the other.

I did remember Obediah as a "Street Cleaner". The reason why I didn't mention it here was because I am drafting a story about Mr. Bobby, Mr. Alexis, and the same Obediah, and the dedication and contributions for maintaining a clean, secured, and a healthy environment on our streets in Gouyave.

By the way, I'd always thought of Mr. Jim as a close relative to Mr. Dowling Lee,and BBK,and to Mr. Allan, who was a die-hard fisherman in Gouyave, and lived in Central.


Thanks for outlining everything to me! The more I get to know about Gouyave and her folks is better for me.

Still, it'll be no surprise to me now, if what I just said about Jim was true.

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

You are correct that the "lady that lived one, or two doors away from Miss Croix" was indeed Miss Georgiana my Tanty Georgie, as we used to call her. She was one of two of my mother's maternal sisters that I knew. The other was Miss Lucy, the mother of Miss Chrisita (the ground-nut vendor) whose children include Lester Peters (the current Homestead owner), Jacqueline (Michael Borrows wife) and others who you may or may not know.

One point of correction though, her name was not Miss Croix but actually Mrs LaCroix. She and her husband, "Doc" lived on New Street where folks like Mr. & Mrs. Percy John (the sweet drink maker), Ms. Ugee, Mr & Mrs Harrack (Fitzie, the sculptor's parents) and of course Tess, the grandma of our own webmaster. The LaCroix's home is now occupied by Decima, an out-of-wedlock daughter of Mr. LaCroix. Btw, when you get down to writing about Mr. Bobby and the other street cleaners, please don't forget to give due praise to Mr. Alexis Charles, and their boss, Mr "Doc" LaCroix. That's in case you didn't know.

As far as I know, there was no relationship at all between Miss Melda and FLJ. Ms. Melda's children were Aloysius and his sister Jessel who incidentally is the mother of Margaret and Brenda that you mentioned. Dr. Aloysius "Bowser" Charles died some years ago during a New York visit. Mr. Alexis Charles was their dad. As a point of interest, Sir Carlyle Glean and my 2nd Standard school teacher, Carlton Knight also grew up with Miss Melda and her children. I may be wrong but I believe she was their aunt.

Upon reading the posts, a friend from London who should know, called me to tell me that Frank's mother was from St. George's. True or not, I don't know because I have no idea who the woman was. But I do know that FLJ did grow up with his grandparents, cousin Margaret and her husband Mr. Graves Cumberbatch, or Pa as we used to call him.

Unless I'm unaware of it, there is no relationship between Mr. Jim and Dowlin, Hilton "BBK", Salton and Alan Lee. Jim used to be associated with Key-pooch-ee Donaldson behind the market. His brothers, Lloyd and Ben also worked with Mr. Donaldson.

And finally, you must have been much too young to remember that Allan Lee used to live in the first house from the pipe stand on the L'Anse bridge heading towards my mother's shop. There he lived with his sister Miss Muriel and their mother Miss Florie. Miss Muriel's daughter Constance Glean whose children included Winston "Ma-kee-kee", Orson, Osril and others also used to live there.

I hope that helps.

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

The story is very interesting. I rememher Mr. LaCroix, but only as a sick, old man who sat down in the verandah and somewhere under the verandah sometimes. Decima and a younger girl, Dawn, used to tend to him. Both Decima and Dawn were friends of mine. At one time, I thought that Mrs LaCroix and Miss Georgiana were sisters. The girl that live with Georgiana had a striking resemblance, that helped me to entertain the thought that these two families were related to one another.

Even the resemblance of Mr. Jim was striking to BBK, and Dowling Lee!

With that said, I only know Central as Mr. Allan's home. Constance, whomI'd always believed to be his daughter, used to cook and send his meals to him. They'd a wonderful relationship.between them, but Mr. Allan met with his maker in one of the strangest ways imagined. His death is still a mystery to me this day.

Besides Margaret and Brenda Mitchell, I don't recall knowing any one else that was related to Miss Melda. Later, I'd learned that Sir Carlyle Glean came from that family.

I remember Mr. Alexis as a street cleaner, but didn't know that "Doc" was his boss. I'll put together the best piece of writing on Mr. Alexis.

I appreciate the knowledge you shared with me on the topic. Especially that of Miss Chrisita.

That was a great help!

Thanks!

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

One more thing, DNJ. The girl who lived with Tanty Georgie was her grand-daughter, Mona. The venerable military man who loves riding his bicycle in cycling meets and whom his comrades often praise so much on Facebook is Mona's son, and of course my young cousin of whom I am so proud. He is Trevor Adams.

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

Mona's name had slipped completely, out of my mine. But, her face couldn't elude me. She was such a quiet, and soft spoken person.

I read about Trevor Adams quite a few times. I knew him as a young lad. It never cross my mine, that he's Mona's son.

Your knowledge of Gouyave and her people is definitely a great one!

Thank you!

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

It's not so much that my "knowledge of Gouyave and her people is definitely a great one!" It is much more because those folks you are talking about are my close relatives.

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

That's understandable. I must say that "Gogouyave" caused a lot of 'cats to come out of the bag'. I mean it helped things to come to perspective. And, still, there's a lot of more things about Gouyave that I never heard about.

Hopefully, someone will tell their stories about Gouyave someday, for the sake of the young generation especially.

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

Gents, Great dialogue about the wonderful people mentioned in this posting. Most notable, Ms Georgina (RIP) my beloved great grand mother, Miss Idora (RIP) my beloved great grand aunt and my mother who resides in St. Croix. I maybe wrong but I recalled Mr Obediah the street cleaner. I never knew him to ride bicycles or working in any other capacity however, I thought he was the father of two or three girls about my age or younger while I was a young boy in Gouyave.

Re: OBEDIAH, AND MR. JIM!!! CORRECTIONS & UPDATES

Folks like Ms. Ggeorgina, and Obediah, and Ms. Idora, that gave Gouyave its shape and form. Most of them are now deceased, but the names and good deeds are still here with us. They were great villagers,who had helped raised almost every child in Gouyave. The mark they left behind are the ones that makes us what we are today. It's a shame that those who came after us can't see the ways of yesterday's people. And, tomorrow's children will be further away from it yet.

I don't recall Obediah having chidren in Gouyave; nor beyond it, but I've heard recently,about his granddaughter, Leesha (sp), who've done well with her CXE exam, and will be attending The St. George's School of Medicine, at age 17.

Let's keep the Gouyave Light burning! It can only do us good!