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This is really shallow, but I think some of the best things about "Empire" were the makeup and female costumes. They were so good that you noticed them, but weren't distracted by them, which is rare today, when stylists are trying too hard to win awards or start trends. Everyone's complextion was absolutely flawless, while still looking perfectly natural. The women's flowing veils were visually stunning, especially in the scene where the vestal virgin stood in front of her altar.
What bothered me was that it copied the same strange conventions that must have been started by Shakespeare and Hollywood:
Why are ancient Greeks and Romans almost always played by actors with British accents? Even when the actors are American or Australian, they'll still try to sound English. Not that I have anything against those voices, in fact, I admit to being a hopeless Anglophile. (Blame public television!) It's impossible to know how dead languages sounded, but wouldn't they be closer to modern Greek or Italian dialects?
Why do the soundtracks of historical films sometimes seem so inaccurate? Maybe "Gladiator" started a precedent for using an unrelated compilation, including eastern European classical scores, vaguely Arabic flute playing, and shamelessly Celtic female wailing. The Roman empire came into contact with all those areas, but couldn't a more authenic sound be recreated by using historical instruments and native musical traditions?
But the worst thing about "Empire" was: Why did Vincent have to wear leggings under his toga? The whole appeal of men in skirts is the easy access!
Thanks for the absolutely fabulous site -- You rock so hard!
Even though I STILL haven't watched it yet (I'm so bad), I have to chime in with Chi about the soundtrack. I love "Gladiator" tremendously, but it started a very bad habit with Hollywood composers including the ubiquitous wailing for every movie remotely historical. Did Braveheart have this? If so, maybe that's the movie to blame. I can't remember - I've tried to erase THAT stinkbomb (and Messiah Mel) from my memory. "Troy" became nearly intolerable in parts because of the banshee on the soundtrack. If Kingdom of Heaven includes it, at least it's closer in time, historically, to the type of music/vocals. But still, it's overused and you can pretty much bet on a female yodeler in every historical flick that comes down the pike.
I've heard the wailing a bit in "Empire" from what I've seen. Considering the Romans were, in reality, a very raw and bawdy people, the austerity and mournful wailing is very much at odds. It sounds like you're entering a mosque rather than the Forum.
Re: British accents. The same goes for Nazis in movies. Started in the 1940s and continues to the present day, though at least the Brits now fake a German accent instead of using their own. I like "A Bridge Too Far" because the 2 prominent German officers were played by German speakers rather than Brits faking it.
My main problem, stylistically, in "Empire" just from the pictures, is Octavian's hair. Blech. Well, Octavian in general. He's too robust and his hairstyle looks like a reject from the Partridge Family or the Brady Bunch. From what I've seen in busts, etc, the blow-dry look wasn't the rule among the patriciate.
Yeah, I haven't seen the whole thing yet. I just haven't had the time nor inclination. Unfortunately, there IS wailing. Though it isn't as bad as the constant annoying screech in Troy. (I too loved the Gladiator soundtrack even though it is historically a shamble - Lisa's voice ROCKS). There are also more than a few moments that look like sappy Hallmark commercials. WTF happened with Caesar and Tyrannus? That midnight "take a walk with me" turns 2 seconds later to golden fields at noon (Very Gladiator rip off).
Maybe it was a VERY long walk?
Santiago annoys me on many levels, the biggest issue is that he just cannot act. You're right Karla, the hair is very Keith Partridge and if only the family bus would show up and snatch him, I might forgive.
At least everyone else TRIES.
Blech. At least there is a lot of Vincent, Frain does really well too, and Trudy as always is lovely.
Considering the third episode is on tonight and I hadn't gotten around to watching the second one, I did that this morning. Oh hell, I'm just going with the flow of the "history" being presented to us. What can you do, right? James Frain's doing a great job as Brutus, I think. I'd only ever seen him in Count of Monte Cristo, and he was great there, so it shouldn't have surprised me, really.
But I'm scratching my head about Magonius. A black dude as a Roman general? Granted, I don't remember ALL my Roman history, but the closest a dark-skinned general ever came to Rome was Hannibal, and he was on the other side, no? One thing I do know about Rome and Romans was that they were notoriously bigoted, with the lowliest guy in the Subura who held citizenship considered superior to "foreigners" who had no chance of getting it, which this Magonius has to be. Caesar still had to fight to get all of the Italian peninsula the franchise. Africa was so out of the question, considering the Romans wouldn't have considered giving it to the Alexandrians. The "history"...imploding...my skull...... But I guess that having a black slave buddy would have been too much of a rip-off of Gladiator and Spartacus. ;)
Again, what the hell and I give up. :) Sucked that Vincent didn't appear again until the final 30 seconds of the episode, but any orgy awaits in the next episode. And Octavianus as playboy. Yeah, right.... Not 'till AFTER he was Emperor did he romp with the Roman mares.
So, NaT, been getting some "OMG ViNcEnTizTeHHAWTNESS.....kthxbye!" messages?
This new episode was so lovely. Vincent in almost every scene ever filmed.
And stupid Santiago...he can't even act like the playboy that he is. *sigh* He's doomed.
But Antony...OH, THE EVIL. I LOVE IT!
I'm also very happy to see that he changes into some prettier armor in the next episode. And more Cassius! The brilliance.
YES. Tonight's episode ROCKED. (well at least all 20 minutes or so that I caught of it). YIPPEEE. Salvation. Salivation. Something.
Thank you guys SO MUCH for posting your reviews. This site has had over 26,000 hits since Empire came out and YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES TO BOTHER TO POST.
The rest of you lurkers better shape the hell up! Please????
In other news, indeedy Karla. People are getting a wee bit frightening. Say he's a good actor, cool. Say he's hot, fine. Say he's your fave masturbatory fantasy object, sweet. Screech that you are "IN LOVE" with someone you don't KNOW and I get kinda worried for you. Rant that you must have his babies, and I think it's time for you to go outside and get some fresh air. A LOT of fresh air.
Speaking of screeching - KARLA WHERE IS THE NEXT CHAPTER EH????
I must now go off to Amazon and look up a certain book **grins** Gay male in a straight fem body eh? Sounds like a drag babe. I'm sorry hon. **hugs** You know though, they make toys for that. Ones with pretty black leather belts ;)
Speaking of toys - OMG you guys have to go to that STFU TOM store and get something. I LOVE my t-shirt. I had the crappiest 12 hour work day and came home tonight and there it was in a little bag waiting for me YAY. Total silliness. LOVE.
(although not LOVE as in "In Love" as in "OMG I WANT TO HAVE THE BABIES OF A TOTAL STRANGER" love. No. NO. NO NO NO NO NO.)
Hmm..but if his face ever JUST HAPPENED to be the same height level as my thighs... ALL BETS ARE OFF DAMMIT.
**attempts to whistle innocently and fails miserably**
Here - get a cool T-shirt just like mine. We could all be demented T-shirt twins! Link on the news page!!
NaT wrote: I must now go off to Amazon and look up a certain book **grins** Gay male in a straight fem body eh? Sounds like a drag babe. I'm sorry hon. **hugs** You know though, they make toys for that. Ones with pretty black leather belts ;)
My reference to myself as a gay man in a straight girl's body was done with tongue planted firmly in cheek -- I'm not a penis envier, I'm a penis appreciator!
Speaking of peni (plural of penis), it was a dirty trick to make Vincent wear such obvious undies in the bath. Can't anything be left to the imagination?
He's the only reason to watch the otherwise unexceptional "Empire", but even he's turned in an unsettling performance -- the wimpy crying, the dog fondling, the lame joking. Someone must have thought this would give his character depth, but it's just disturbing.
The beautiful lighting and elegant camera work that impressed me in the first episode have also deteriorated. The play of shadows on Mark Anthony's face during the bath scene was too dark, while the hand-held filming of the pre-orgy rumble was laughably clumsy.
Best line so far: "I always leave before the orgy. May I offer you...a ride?"
If it makes you feel better, I hate babies. haha
But still, the screechings about Vincent are still better than the ones about Morrissey. Even AFTER the man claims celibacy the women still want his children...people these days...
LOL. Adore Morrissey. A-D-O-R-E. Roflmao, I doubt that Morrissey will be impregnating anyone anytime soon ;)
Celibate eh? Me too!
*wraps in rainbow flag*
I like it.
the cinematography its gorgeous, the wardrobe its exquisite, and the cast is great.
Vincent its awesome as always
Jonathan its perfect WHOA!
the only actor that irritates me is Santiago arrgg
can't he act?
i hate how he treats Tyrannus who is supposed to be his teacher, and the man who has saved his life i dunno, like a basillion times! Sheesh!
Overall I love the series, its not perfect, but give me gladiators like Tyrannus, men in skirts, and swordfighting any day.
thank you so much for the gallery in here!! :) i love it!
Episode 3 definitely was better than the preceding two, and could Antony's more prominent role have had anything to do with it? Hmmmmm..... Really loved the little impromptu duel with Tyrannus. Playful!Vincent. Bwahahaha....PRECIOUS.
Of course, history went winging off towards Pluto near the end. I was wondering how, if Antony had done such a thing, Octavius would have ever made him part of the triumvirate. I know, keep your enemies close, but JEEZ.
NaT, sorry, another chapter ain't coming for some time. I'm in Finland at the moment and my Brad Dourif mojo wants some attention, so I'm busy writing Grima for the time being. Just went through a spate of depression and pre-travel blues, so I wasn't worth much these past two weeks.
And I'll be missing the final two week of Empire while I'm here. ARRRRRRRRGH! You lucky b*tches, you.
P.S. - Ditto a zillion. Santiago can't act. Even Ricky Martin would have been a better choice. And I don't know why I chose HIM to use as an example, but I did, and there it is.
Ohhh HI GUYS!
Chi, sorry about the misunderstanding. Peni admirer here too (almost half the time anyway ;)
Speaking of that tub pic, you wouldn't believe how many requests I've had for the FULL SIZED image of just that one! People are privately starting to debate the um...status of...YEAH. *shakes head and grins* It's too f**ing funny. I can't even come up with news on Vincent's latest project and people expect ME to know if he is circumsized. Hehehe. Yeah, okaaaaaay. Webmaster/urologist at your service!
Ani, am glad that you are enjoying Empire. No problem on the pics hon, I realized that not many places would have them up so I wanted to put them ALL where people could find them.
Karla my dear, I am sorry about your pre-trip blues. You should have hollered, I would have done a silly dance to cheer you. Enjoy your trip and don't even feel TOO badly about leaving me hanging in Eudorus land *sniffles*
RICKY MARTIN??? Hahah. Okay that actually would have been a better casting choice. At least we could laugh and mean it. Santiago just HURTS.
I've got it all on DVD so yell when you get back and I'll send it along.
You know, if it weren't for the bath scenes last night, I would've demanded more attention be focused on Vincent and his pretty armour. But I think all that water has gone to my head.
Pity there's only one episode left, **** ABC for cutting out a whole 2 hours! Everything seems a bit rushed now, not good.
its coming to an end *sniff*
they are going to kill tyrannus aren't they?
last night's episode was good, if itt wasn't for the whole, virgin and playboy scenes
WHAT DID I MISS??? *tantrums* Argh, the one stinkin' night that I just totally blow it off and something interesting happens?
Ya know, a LOT of those Vestals ended up preggers. Makes me think that maaaaaybe they weren't exactly what you would call virgins.
where are the updates?
empire its over it was great!
I haven't seen the last episode yet, but my neighbor was WRONG - her TiVo got episode 4 - YAAAAY.
Okay, not to be shallow or anything. Or at least not VERY shallow. Or well, um, eh. It's the merlot. Really. It's GOOD merlot. Good thing too that my mates are picking me up in an hour to club it and I am NOT DRIVING ANYWHERE. Nope.
Anyway, what was the subject?
OH YES. The hottub scene with the pretty young wife. I mean Episode 4. I mean, the FREAKIN' HOT TUB SCENE.
I can't even decide who is purtier - Vincent or the not-blushing-bride. So I'll just keep them as a set, mkay?
What I do know is that I now totally forgive Vincent for wasting 90 minutes of my life with PointMen. PM btw for those of you who haven't seen it, SUCKED. Not just a little, but a LOT and the sex scene he had in it was enough to turn me off of sex (and yes, even masturbating) for at least...um... 3 days. THREE DAYS I shall never get back.
But I forgive him now. I so totally do :)
As for the rest of Empire, it kind of grew on me. I thought Vincent did a pretty bang up job. So did many others. Good, solid acting. Santiago still needs to be smacked upside the head, as does the moron that cast him. Everything else was okay, a bit too much of a Gladiator rip off, but okay. There were some good scenes, there were some okay scenes, and I only laughed when I wasn't supposed to a few times. There were WAY TOO MANY COMMERCIALS.
Somehow, I just know that was Santiago's fault. It really was.
There are more pics on ABC but I unfortunately don't have the time to grab - download - shrink to human proportions - upload - thumbnail - organize and post. It will happen, just not anytime soon. Sorry.
Besides, I have to work on figuring out how to get that hot tub scene off of my DVD and on to the site ;)
LOVE THE HOT TUB SCENE!!
(but I still don't *LOVE* Vincent)
(bc I don't love people I don't freakin' KNOW)
(still don't want his babies)
(or into his pants)
(not that there is anything wrong in his pants)
(hot tub scene made that pretty d*mned clear)
(but no, no LOVE, no babies, none of that cr*p)
But I wouldn't throw him and that chick out of MY hot tub.
Then again, I don't throw many people out of my hot tub :)
Woah woah woah...hot tub scene? Crap, see what I missed? I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet. Just barely got back from the flight from hell. I got whacked in the face with a plastic spoon when the teen next to me decided to play drums on his table tray.
Nah, I don't want to have Vincent's babies either. I can't even say I love HIM, because I don't know him. I just like his face.
However, his pants (and Sean Bean's) are high on my "interest" list. I guess that's what fanfic is for - you can shag them by proxy.
Welcome home hon, how was the trip (other than the dipsh*t with the spoon)????
I've got Empire on DVD if you need it, drop me a line.
Beaner?? Wonderful actor, pretty face too, but honey - he's done sooooo many full-monty's and they are usually ... um...
I'm having deja vu. Where's La to defend him???
Re: Beaner. Hey, he's a GROWER, not a SHOWER!!!!
Vacation was meh. I was glad to get back home, and so was my back. All that walking around did me in, and I didn't bring my Percoset with me. Just as well, since Finland has sausages as its national veggie. I was bound up enough as it was without adding THAT medication to the mix.
Just glad to be back! Not having much luck finding time to write, however. Been pretty busy just reading the news articles and catching up on what I missed while I was gone.