I had deliberately avoided the subject, but naturally I have to agree with Andrew regarding the flag, so there must surely have been questions asked, which I am NOT going to go into, for this advice to have even been considered. Either the story is incomplete, or the repairer is an idiot. We do not want discussion on what those questions might have been. The short answer is flag falls means STOP and await assistance.

A falling flag, exhaust parts and storage charges link neatly together. We have already established that parts are not growing on trees. However much admiration we may have for the vehicles, nothing can alter the fact that they are obsolete, hence spares are difficult or sometimes impossible to obtain. A vehicle of this size takes up considerable space in a workshop, the aim of any repairer is to turn the vehicle around as quickly as possible so that the bay can be used for the next revenue- earning job. A blocked bay occupied by a vehicle awaiting parts means that other work may well have to be turned away because there is nowhere suitable to carry it out. It is common for elderly vehicles to be awaiting parts for months and even years while these are either found or made. In many cases the parts required have to be manufactured in small batches with long lead times and at such considerable cost that for it to be viable extra orders need to be obtained. In some instances, customers want to source their own parts and do this in their own sweet time.

So, for example it has been mentioned that the rearmost sections of the RM exhaust are not available. Quite true, or rather it was in June when I ordered, delivery came in late September or October IIRC. In the meantime, I had to make up new clamps and brackets to fit a long length of flexible to keep the bus on the road. I still cannot fit the new sections because the intervening period has seen the silencer rot out. This is now on back order with no quoted delivery date. This has meant quite extensive temporary repairs to the silencer which have cost more than the silencer itself will do.

Perhaps even more relevant, there is a possibility that the flag problem MAY be caused by the footbrake valve. Since practically all core units returned to Imperial Engineering had been found to be past reclamation, these have been unobtainable for a very long time. The RM association commissioned a batch of new valve bodies a while ago. These have all been sold out and another batch is now in the process of being ordered. I don’t know the lead time, but I do know that this is an expensive item, one certainly that would tempt some to spend time trying to source something second hand; meanwhile missing the boat. The same issue - and proposed solution - has arisen with power steering rams.

I repeat, I would expect a repairer to be notifying me that storage charges would apply after a certain amount of time while parts are awaited. I hope the OP does not require one of these valves because it seems that the vehicle has been VOR for long enough anyway, but should that be so then maybe the point might be appreciated.

Although Employees Liability Insurance and a copy of sections of the Factories Act are required to be displayed, there is no legal obligation to have Public Liability Insurance. Obviously, anyone with any sense does have cover for this; the alternative does not bear thinking about. While it would be standard practice for many companies, and particularly those which are ISO 9000 registered, to request sight of a contractor’s Public Liability Insurance, should I be asked by any private individual to see my PLI then I would seriously consider telling them exactly what they could do with their vehicle.

I get were you are coming from Roy what you’re saying is reasonable but only if the parts were unavailable and the owner was told that he or she would be charged for storage.

However in my case all the parts he fitted are available and except for the exhaust that he did not replace anyway.

Martin Detheridge @ LB4H explained to me this morning that exhaust are made in batches and you sometimes need to wait for a month or so,
He also said they generally keep 3 exhaust systems on the self to avoid the problem but even then you can use up your stock before the replacements come back into stock.

I have also offered to put money up front to help the likes of the Association and Imperial Engineering get parts made.

I am sure there are a few good engineers out there I guess I was unlucky and then I was a bit harsh generally on others who make a living from working on these wonderful machines.

My mistake was I should of asked around before assuming that every commercial garage knows about Routemasters.


I am no engineer I have a couple of scrap metal yards and the Routemaster was sent to us to be scrapped with the contents of a large industrial unit.

My family fell in love with him so he is part of our family now
However the thought of scrapping the bus did cross my mind when I was waiting 4 hours for a tow truck in the cold and rain on the M4 🤗
Thanks for your comments guys

Cheers
Bob

Bob you are not the onnly person to have had problems with said recommended company, we used him once.... maybe we were also unlucky!
Re Exhausts I thought Roy Gould had found a company in Ashford Kent that made up RM exhausts to order from patterns..., other than that they are a lottery, we were lucky that there was one in stock for our bus and Roy kindly collected it for us :)

My bus number (if any): RTL 960, RMC 1458, RM 1585 and several RTs

Brian is correct, yes there is a company in Ashford who can make up ANY exhaust FROM A PATTERN (sorry no option on forum for italics). As Andrew has mentioned Dinex currently only make RM exhaust parts in small batches . There is clearly a reason for this in that demand is slow and they wish to sell the product rather than have it taking up warehouse room for ages. In comparison with other commercial vehicle exhaust part prices of the RM bits are quite cheap, however to maintain the ability to achieve these prices obviously they need to order in batches of a suitable size. It takes time for numbers to accumulate.

Just about every motor factor in the country is capable of ordering product from Dinex, all that is necessary is the catalogue part numbers. I have been banging on for the last 10 years about sufficient demand to maintain the interest of parts suppliers.

A while ago it seemed that track rod ends were available again, alas this was not so, the item was actually the side arm.
It is possible to have the bronze cups made to take up the wear, however the spring, ball pin and most importantly the housing are not available, without these the fifth time of fitting an old ha'penny inside will not work any more. Before long there will be a weeping, a wailing and a stamping of feet when it becomes clear that a number of buses are parked up on bricks.

We have to maintain the interest of suppliers to do business. If we go back over the last ten years or so there has been great enthusiasm for: sliding cab bulkhead windows, interior light fittings, indicator ears, high ratio diffs to make the bus go faster, removing perfectly serviceable Cummins and Iveco engines in order to substitute some asthmatic original type power plant for which parts are almost non existent.

And what happened in presumably the majority of cases with the old removed items? they most likely ended up in the skip.

Jesus wept.

Martin is the man. He has never let us down, LondonBus4Hire

My bus number (if any): RCL2259

I have had RM exhaust parts on the shelf for a few years now. My turnover of these is not as great as Martin D's, as there is in effect more "competition" in the south east for repairing RMs. However, many of us talk to each other. roy and I are in fairly regular contact with each other as we sometimes work together and exchange technical information and parts availability information. there's also a couple of commercial workshops in the area who know a bit about RMs but they sometimes use roy's or my services for out-of-the-ordinary problems.

I've personally turned people in the direction of others in other areas for distance reasons.

If you need one, I've got an RM silencer on the shelf at the moment, it's seen a few months service on our generator set, but has never been on a vehicle. However, to re-stock with an RM exhaust system you're now looking at well over £1000 to have sitting on the shelf for years, like we've had 2 new short half shafts in stock for a long time, and they set us back about £2k each. This is an awful lot to have tied up in stock for what is basically a one-man and one-woman business!

A tale I will reiterate which I've told on here before about the stop flag, an occasional client had a Scania or DAF engine open topper which was used a lot in Europe. It came to me for a service about 5 years ago. It had to ready "tomorrow" to go abroad again. It had an odd problem with the stop flag, no they didn't want the brakes stripped out, just adjust them and a quick safety check. Horn not working, stop flag defect, other bits noted, brakes adjusted, they didn't want a rolling road test, no time, save money.. A few months later I heard the bus was in Spain in winter, going down hill into a village. The brakes didn't seem to work, the flag dropped. Driver applied handbrake, that didn't work either. Sounded the horn approaching traffic light, that didn't work either. Luckily he didn't hit anyone or anything, bur it stopped eventually. When it arrived back with me a couple of months later having been on the rest of the European tour, I found the back brakes well out of adjustment; rollers seized; front brakes out of adjustment and linings worn out. The rear linings weren't touching the drums with the brake hard on. The accumulators needed charging, I had to change them as they wouldn't hold a charge. Wiring broken on the brake warning microswitch.

The driver told me the flag had been dropping at odd intervals throughout the journey but the owners didn't want to spend money fixing it. It wasn't for my lack of trying or giving advice.

The stop flag is there for a reason.

My bus number (if any): RML2532